125: Iain Ryan on crime rules, choose your own adventure and The Taylor Swift Theory

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Kate speaks to Melbourne crime writer Iain Ryan, author of The Spiral. They discuss the rules of crime fiction, writing to the point of shame, self publishing vs traditional publishing and the Taylor Swift Theory. There is a some explicit content at the 20 minute mark, so maybe keep those earpods in! Kate also laughs. A lot.
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