Pairing ketamine with EMDR & other therapy methods


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In this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Bob Mcnutt, LCSW, to discuss the how ketamine is combined with a variety of psychotherapy modalities, particularly EMDR. They cover the following topics:
(1:50) Bob introduces himself and explains his interest in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy. becoming a ketamine therapist.
(4:20) What is psycholytic vs psychedelic psychotherapy?
(9:25) An brief introduction to EMDR
(11:03) EMDRIA training for EMDR
(11:55) The role of exposure in EMDR
(17:00) Somatic Experiencing by Peter Levine
(18:45) Ketamine helps with the "window of tolerance" in therapy
(24:13) Why EMDR and ketamine pair well
(25:23) What is psychotherapy and why does it work?
(31:07) The Shrink Next Door movie
(34:02) Ketamine might help clients make better use of therapy and open up to the therapeutic relationship
(37:25) Psychedelics pair well with a variety of therapy methods, but it depends on what each individual needs
(38:25) Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and psychedelics
(40:35) The challenges of treating attachment-based trauma vs single-case traumas
(48:15) How to Change Your Mind, by Michael Pollan
(48:45) Get out of the way of the medicine
(51:50) The Yale Manual for Psilocybin-Assisted Therapy of Depression (using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy as a Therapeutic Frame)
(52:05) Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration: A Transtheoretical Model for Clinical Practice
(52:53) Hakomi therapy
(54:00) Marcela Ot'alora on how to become a psychedelic therapist
(58:15) Countertransference, co-regulation, and psychedelic therapy
(1:02:50) Summary of therapies that might pair well with psychedelics
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