Wordle and the Web We Need


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By Electronic Frontier Foundation, Cindy Cohn, and Danny O’Brien - Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). Discovered by Player FM and our community — copyright is owned by the publisher, not Player FM, and audio is streamed directly from their servers. Hit the Subscribe button to track updates in Player FM, or paste the feed URL into other podcast apps.

Where is the internet we were promised? It feels like we’re dominated by megalithic, siloed platforms where users have little or no say over how their data is used and little recourse if they disagree, where direct interaction with users is seen as a bug to be fixed, and where art and creativity are just “content generation.”

But take a peek beyond those platforms and you can still find a thriving internet of millions who are empowered to control their own technology, art, and lives. Anil Dash, CEO of Glitch and an EFF board member, says this is where we start reclaiming the internet for individual agency, control, creativity, and connection to culture - especially among society’s most vulnerable and marginalized members.

Dash speaks with EFF's Cindy Cohn and Danny O’Brien about building more humane and inclusive technology, and leveraging love of art and culture into grassroots movements for an internet that truly belongs to us all.

In this episode you’ll learn about:

  • What past and current social justice movements can teach us about reclaiming the internet
  • The importance of clearly understanding and describing what we want—and don’t want—from technology
  • Energizing people in artistic and fandom communities to become activists for better technology
  • Tech workers’ potential power over what their employers do
  • How Wordle might be a window into a healthier web.

If you have any feedback on this episode, please email podcast@eff.org. Please visit the site page at https://eff.org/pod210 where you’ll find resources – including links to important legal cases and research discussed in the podcast and a full transcript of the audio.

This podcast is supported by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation's Program in Public Understanding of Science and Technology.

Music for How to Fix the Internet was created for us by Reed Mathis and Nat Keefe of BeatMower.

This podcast is licensed Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International, and includes the following music licensed Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported by their creators:


Get It - pop mix by J.Lang Feat: AnalogByNature & RJay


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Smokey Eyes by Stefan Kartenberg


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Klaus by Skill_Borrower


Chrome Cactus by Martijn de Boer (NiGiD)

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