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Disabled Lives Matter Season 1, Episode 27 Co-Hosts: Nadine Vogel & Norma Stanley Guest: Bishop Dedric Avery (aka Oba Chikelu)

Intro: [Music playing in background] Disabled Lives Matter... here we go!

Voiceover: Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the disabled lives matter podcast with co-hosts Nadine Vogel and Norma Stanley… yay!


NORMA STANLEY: Greetings everybody, my name is Norma Stanley I'm co host of disabled lives matter our regular co host ms. nadine vogel couldn't be here today, so I am kind of pitching in.

NORMA STANLEY: and taking the reins on our interview so today, we are going to be speaking with the awesome Bishop Dedric Avery, also known as oba chikelu.

NORMA STANLEY: Who is a scholar and author.

NORMA STANLEY: Someone who I greatly admire, he is the senior pastor of salt and light truth Center, which is based in decatur Georgia and he is a spiritual leader.

NORMA STANLEY: Progressive non traditional type of spiritual leader who shares information with his congregation about empowerment and enlightenment and.

NORMA STANLEY: Other like you know and enrichment, which for my company which is called e-e-e lightning which.

NORMA STANLEY: e-e-e marketing stands for enlightened empowered and enrich we're on the same page in that area, so I am so excited to have him share with us today about.

NORMA STANLEY: You know his experiences um and becoming someone who acquired a disability and how that has changed his life what he's doing.

NORMA STANLEY: To address some of those issues as an advocate Community advocate and as someone who's you know walking the journey now through this whole process so welcome to disabled lives matter Bishop avery.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: i'm so glad to be here.

NORMA STANLEY: Well, you know i'm and I first met you, you were a young man.

NORMA STANLEY: young man who was doing your thing as a pastor.


NORMA STANLEY: You did not have a disability, at that time but since then, you have aquired one this was how many years ago, tell us a little bit about that experience and what happened.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: um it started.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: In 2015.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I was volunteering at a local high school.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: In their football program as the chaplain.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: One of the initiatives the plans that I had was to reach out to the schools and the businesses and different things and create collaboration and I was volunteering.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And it was a particular football game on a Friday night, it was I believe September 9 2015 i'm not sure what exactly the date but.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: The first play of the game I just prayed with the team that they had no injuries or that they'd be covered throughout the game, and the first play of the game two of the players.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: ran up on the side of the field to tackle one another and they rolled into my legs and that was when my journey began because I heard snap crackle and pop.


Oba Chikelu- Dedric: and, in my mind psychologically I didn't know what was going on, because I just knew that my knee or something was just sticking out of the out of my skin and it was crazy.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: It took them an hour to get me off of the football field to get me into an ambulance to get me to another ambulance and.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: that's when that's when my journey began 2015.

NORMA STANLEY: And one of the things that i'm I was very impressed with the Church, that it was such an accepting um Ministry for people with disabilities.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Yes.

NORMA STANLEY: my daughter Sierra is a wheelchair user and I've attended many larger churches that weren't as welcoming um you know to our children, sometimes and make some noise, maybe different things like my daughter sometimes love singing she loved the music.

NORMA STANLEY: As you pull out of her seat and crawl up to the altar.

NORMA STANLEY: To be closer to the.

NORMA STANLEY: Music and a lot of services would nnot accept that so.

NORMA STANLEY: I really appreciated about your service in your ministry um tell us about what that.

NORMA STANLEY: The Church Community when it comes to people with disabilities.

NORMA STANLEY: You would think that would be more what's the word accepting and welcoming should we be feelings were those of us who have children, like mine, feel more comfortable doing services online than being their with the congregation.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I would say that.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I will say that the teachings of a spiritual Community sets the tone as it relates to the treatment of others and the teachers of our ministry week we focus on accepting and acknowledging everyone unconditionally.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: It that it's a skill set, you have to develop that and being able to enter the inner act and engage people from different cultures perspectives.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Whether they have disabilities mental illness, whatever the situation is we are teaching that every humanbeing is a manifestation of the creator and so when we engage one another we're actually engaging God.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And so, when we do that it heightens the level of sensitivity to the needs of people and and I saw that even before I even attain this this new direction of life.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You and I had a lot of intensive conversations about what can we do to serve the disabled Community we'd already kind of started doing some things right, I didn't really feel hip.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know, hypocritical by having the injury and being in the Community myself, because I was always supportive of the Community.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: So the teachings of the environment, really sets the tone for the treatment of the environment.

NORMA STANLEY: mm hmm. That is important, is it comes from the head and and so you know those are the kind of things that I don't think a lot of ministries realize that they may they may be something that they are not recognizing.

NORMA STANLEY: As the leader of that particular ministry, that is not allowing that opportunity to to open up to those of us children like mine um you know I.

NORMA STANLEY: that's one of the things that will hoping to make some changes in that area from a spiritual component, as well as a Community, because.

NORMA STANLEY: faith is a big part of how parents like myself manage you know if we do a lot of praying and we depend on that that strengthen and that body of people to support and sometimes when you see that they just Basically, it seems, in some cases that i've been exposed to that you know.

NORMA STANLEY: we're more of a nuisance, it seems.

NORMA STANLEY: unwelcomed and that's something that I hope.

NORMA STANLEY: to see change as a they become more aware of how the ministries come off to others like families like mine.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know, society has a way of setting pseudo standards of what's acceptable.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: In society has is has it all figured out as to how we're supposed to look.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know the size, the shape the whole nine and if anyone doesn't fit in that little scope.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Then we are faced with many different forms of reaction and rejection.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And, even in the Church, because even though.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You really find out what the real purpose of a church is when you have people in need, or have needs and I find that no one wants to be inconvenienced.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: No one wants to kind of kind of inconvenience themselves for those who have needs you know, are you going to even, even in the scriptures when Jesus was killing they made provisions and they could demand and and brought him down through the ceiling.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Minister, whereas you know people won't even open up aisle for a person in the church today, so that tells you just kind of the world we're in and just this is how real this thing that is in the challenge, even in the spiritual houses that the disabled community has.

NORMA STANLEY: Absolutely.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Because I never wanted to exploit the situation because you have a lot of ministries, that would.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: They would bring in disability members, but they will try to set it up for monetizing.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know we're going to get this big grant for the Church, because now we have disabled members, you know as a good way to make some money.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And, and I never wanted to do that I never wanted to exploit anything for monetization.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Is you know that's not the right heart and that's not of God.

NORMA STANLEY: You know the disabled lives matter podcast is.

NORMA STANLEY: You become a movement, along the lines of you know, black lives matter but to people with disabilities, because there's an intersectionality when it comes to African Americans.

NORMA STANLEY: You know, basically, the 25% of population with disabilities and you know that's a major major component and people are going to have to realize that.

NORMA STANLEY: And there's so much issues when it comes to mental illness and mental health.

NORMA STANLEY: And issues that are not being addressed when it comes to some of these people who are being arrested and and not not paying attention to the fact that they may have some ptsd issues they may have some you know.

NORMA STANLEY: All sorts of issues when it comes to sensory things that they're doing and they're arresting them and end up paying attention so we're just trying to bring awareness to.

NORMA STANLEY: intersectionality of things like that, so that people can be aware and and hopefully make some positive impact and do things differently.

NORMA STANLEY: That could greater enhance enhance the quality of life for.

NORMA STANLEY: Families like mine and people with disabilities individuals as well as families, and I know that that's something that that's very important to you and I know that some issues that you've recently come across since you started this journey just in daily life that.

NORMA STANLEY: You never even thought about probably before could you share a little bit about something as basic as going grocery shopping.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Sure um definitely until I became disabled, I was very unknowledgeable i've always been sensitive but unknowledgeable of the reality.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: of people who are physically challenged until I had to do tasks as simple as going to the grocery store.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know a lot of people take it for granted, why just go over here and pick up some things and go home and it just sounds really easy.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: But for people like me, I have to plan out the opportunity to go to go to stores, first of all I have to find the grocery stores that have the scooters for people like myself who have impairment in walking.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Then you have to find the locations that have the ones that actually work or operable that's another one, because they might have four sitting there, but only one works.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: So you see that that that particular store or franchise just did what was you know is being asked of them to do.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: They did the bare minimum, but there's no sense of maintenance no sense of reception no sense of sensitivity of you know nothing you know so.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: it's very difficult, not only getting the groceries putting them in the car but going home and creating your own independent regiment of how to unload the things that you have.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That you bought from the store those little simple things that people take for granted are monumental task for people like myself.

NORMA STANLEY: yeah I can imagine, I know that I had sustained an injury that I don't know exactly where came from it something in my arm and the doctor told me it was um.

NORMA STANLEY: I guess it was something that had come over time because I pick up and puts sierra's wheelchiar in and out of my car, since she was you know, having to use a wheelchair and i guess.

NORMA STANLEY: It wore on my shoulder, and it was very painful and that same thing happened, I could not collect groceries the way I used to and had to be very particular of things that I was lifting and how I lifted them so that I wouldn't reinjure my arm and because I need I need everything to pick up sierra's wheelchair.

NORMA STANLEY: And you know you don't think about these things, and those are some of the things that.

NORMA STANLEY: they're trying to generate awareness about through disabled lives matter i'm the kind of business that nadine vogel of springboard consulting as she does i'm.

NORMA STANLEY: Working with companies to understand the workforce and the marketplace when it comes to people with disabilities and the kind of work that I do of.

NORMA STANLEY: multicultural communications, and you know and helping companies understand diversity equity inclusion and we both have a similar.

NORMA STANLEY: mission in you know, helping people understand the viability of this community and why they need to be paying more attention to making things.

NORMA STANLEY: Better because of who we are as a population and how important we are to the population anybody can acquire one at any time, so you can't ignore.

NORMA STANLEY: This population we're gonna take a quick break and then come back and talk a little bit about you know some of the things that that you're doing as an individual in through your ministry and just continue the conversation with bishop dedric avery.

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Voiceover: And now back to our show.

NORMA STANLEY: All right, and we are back speaking with Bishop Dedric avery, also known as Oba Chikelu, and like I said he has a very.

NORMA STANLEY: Non traditional church ministry in decatur Georgia and i'm I am actually one of the Members and I just you know wanted him to share because there's some and i've been to some large churches in the mega churches that i've been to some small ones and.

NORMA STANLEY: Some of them have not been as as as welcoming and and that was something that drew me and it drew my daughter, because I can tell when she's not comfortable.

NORMA STANLEY: And she can she can tell when people don't make her feel comfortable she lets me know, and so you know, so this particular you know the space at.

NORMA STANLEY: salt and life truth Center provides is something that you know I would love for families to experience and you know the families.

NORMA STANLEY: stay home because we don't want to we don't want to bother anybody, and some of our children, make a lot of noise when they are having fun when they are enjoying themselves just noisy they can't help it they that's how they express themselves, they do things that are not what.

NORMA STANLEY: Typical children would do and i've come across a lot of situations we have heard some horror stories with churches have actually put member that have put children like mine out.

NORMA STANLEY: um you know and things i've heard some stuff I mean you know lived experiences of people who, I know, so you know so it's very important to me to try to make an impact.

NORMA STANLEY: For to the just the work that you're trying to do with the Community to change change the mindset and the approach some ministries have to people with disabilities.

NORMA STANLEY: The younger ones.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: yes.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Once again, we have to realize that we're in a new paradigm is a paradigm shift and I always say this so that people can truly understand what's being said.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: there's a reset that's happening, you know with the shutdown and the virus that we have and some of the things that have been ushered in.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: It's the transitioning.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And the way things have been done, the institutional mindsets are there they're going out they're phasing out people are more independent and and thinking they're more.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: focused on self care growing trying to figure out things they've taken advantage of opportunities of seeking counsel.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Life coaches and different things, because people are tired of.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: being stuck and and one of the things that comes with that is the revolutionary mindset of how we are to see humanity.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: The way we see humanity is is is a lot more upgraded than it was before.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: People are starting to foster more mutual respect for one another, you see a lot of organizations that are in activism and advocacy for the small person.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And we, we see a new.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Interest infrastructure being created.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: it's in this small stage which is growing it's going to grow even more, because when you look at the disability community, it is really a force to be reckoned with.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: But they don't acknowledge it because it does not produce revenue does not produce an eco economic.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: influence, and I would say that's, the main thing.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Because they're more disabled people than there are probably any other group of people in America at least.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: But we don't produce the economic strength that will make the legislators or anybody else really look twice matter of fact, they are putting money into the disability community and they see it as a liability in many cases.

NORMA STANLEY: and that's because they don't understand that the monetary value, because you know just in the U.S, alone, their are 64 million people in the US alone, you know with disabilities and you know 1.3 or so billion people around the world, but the economic when you when you add their friends their friends and family network.

NORMA STANLEY: that's huge you know when you talk about globally, that's like eight trillion dollars.

NORMA STANLEY: mm hmm I mean you know, and when the US I forget about eight I forget what the is what isn't us but globally is about 8 trillion

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: wow

NORMA STANLEY: when you add the family and friend network.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Right.

NORMA STANLEY: and you know, we are all over the world and it is a lot of money there they just have not figured out how to focus it because they didn't understand that about the black Community either or the Hispanic community.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Right.

NORMA STANLEY: So we started getting really vocal about the fact that we need to be included and that's what the disability community is doing now, and very vocal.

NORMA STANLEY: about being included and that's where they're starting to listen it's still not there, what they need to be starting to listen and pay attention, which is what we have to do.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Any movement, you have to assess the what if, as you approach the power structure and speaking truth to power to convince them of the need of this group that's that's in activism.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You have to present the case that if we were to come together in unity and do this, this is how would it impact, the bottom line.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: of your structure you know if we can ever come together and have unified efforts but there's a lot of division even how they perceive the disability community.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You have the profound, then you have those who are functional you have so many different types of when you have even in your in your retail settings you have four handicapped parking spots, but you have a parking lot full of handicap stickers.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know, so what is truly disable you know what is truly a true member of the disability community, and so, when you are able to even define that it will probably bring bring some definition to the struggle.

NORMA STANLEY: And not unification is definitely going to be important and that's one of the things that we're trying to help generate awareness about because, again, the.

NORMA STANLEY: various factions is you know down syndrome community and there's the autism community and the.

NORMA STANLEY: cerebral palsy community in the mental health community and but it's one Community is the visible and the invisible and it's but it's really one community.

NORMA STANLEY: And what I find sometimes is that you know each community content okay autism, is where everything is when you hear disability it's were you go to automatically.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: right right.

NORMA STANLEY: And, and that is something that usually always bothered me becuase.

NORMA STANLEY: My daughter has cerebral palsy. You know.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: It depends on which wealthy people have children that are affected.

NORMA STANLEY: that's true too that where the attention goes.

NORMA STANLEY: A lot so it's a struggle and it is almost an uphill battle, but.

NORMA STANLEY: that's life and you just have to keep struggling and pushing pushing past the obstacles, which is what you know shows like disabled lives.

NORMA STANLEY: matter podcast is trying to do, push past the obstacle and talk about opportunities that people with disabilities are bringing to the table and and contributions that they are bring to the table that.

NORMA STANLEY: General media tends not to talk about as much, there are some people in the Community, what so powerful amazing things the A-D-A came to because of revolutionaries.

NORMA STANLEY: that's right, you know judy heumann and the people who bought for and crawled the steps you know when they couldn't walk to the protest, so it could come into to being if you saw the the the netflix documentary crip camp if you haven't seen it check it out.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Oh crip camp, okay.

NORMA STANLEY: crip camp that's where it all started at a camp, some of those counselors who worked as counselors at Camp called camp Jened

NORMA STANLEY: Who moved into activists for the A-D-A.

NORMA STANLEY: And so it's a powerful of powerful movie but you know i'm excited about you know, like I said just knowing the fact that.

NORMA STANLEY: becoming a leader in this area and and working towards the goal of making positive change, which is what we're trying to do an individual areas.

NORMA STANLEY: So tell us you know, in addition to being a pastor you also an actor, you also a businessman tell us some of the areas that you would really like to make some impact as you move forward.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Uh listen everything that i'm about of I first of all want to put my emphasis on modeling.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: The reality of a disabled person in a victorious state.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: A person who is definitely persevering through the disability to produce and maintain a certain excellence in life.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: to kind of regress a bit when I initially was told by my doctor that I would never be able to walk again in the normal normalcy of other people, I had to make a decision at that time whether to quit roll over die or to fight.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: And I realized that in many of the things i'm involved in i'm in leadership and people are watching how I negotiate.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: My the things that I do you know how I handle things and.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Just just just that whole strength piece.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: So you know with with the with the spiritual Center it's the same thing teaching, but then modeling perseverance showing people how to maintain.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Who, you are in the midst of challenges, not losing your composure losing your perspective or your worldview because of what's going on in your life and then even as a writer.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That deals with that.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I happen to be consistent as well you know going to the meetings and being visible in in in and showing that you are just as functional as anybody else it takes a little bit more effort but that's part of the fight, you know.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: The fact that you have to show up for the fight, you know.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I go to the water aerobics for therapy.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I go to strength training with my personal trainer just trying to be functional and fight the fight, you know and show people.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That regardless of what is happening that I have a strong mental perspective and optimistic perspective as to how to still get the results in life and fulfill your mission and assignment.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know, without quitting or showing that you know you can handle the situation.

NORMA STANLEY: I agree, I when people are always telling me how strong I am and they're so amazed it's like you know i'm not doing anything else other than trying to have my daughter have the best life possible so it takes a little bit more work because she's full care.

NORMA STANLEY: But I don't want her to miss out on anything so i'm not doing anything more than any other mother would do.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: But I would tell you norma, you are a source of inspiration for a lot of people, the fact that you commit your life, to make sure that your daughter had a normal life.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You sacrificed and now you're at a place where you are operating in your endeavors but you still you didn't leave the first love.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Even though you're doing your your businesses and different things but your heart still goes back to your daughter, and the disabled community, so you are to be honest, if I have flowers right now given to you right now.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You certainly.

NORMA STANLEY: Youknow just do it, you know that's what my heart to do and and and that's what I believe my purposes is to use my gifts and talents and skills, whatever those are.

NORMA STANLEY: to generate awareness about this Community, and all that it brings to the table and it brings some powerful talents and abilities and skills and contributions that people don't talk about people in that really sharing and we need to just need to know.

NORMA STANLEY: I was just talking with Ivette a bit earlier about the.

NORMA STANLEY: The the Paralympics were not part of the Olympics, they weren't shown on TV.

NORMA STANLEY: yeah, why not.

NORMA STANLEY: Right it doesn't make any sense.

NORMA STANLEY: Those people work really hard to train.

NORMA STANLEY: They want to be seen to.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That's right.

NORMA STANLEY: And they didn't make a point to show them and that's just unfortunate so those kinds of thing's just have to change.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: What would have to happen is the regular Olympic athletes would have to to go into activism for that.


Oba Chikelu- Dedric: On that level, they will have to be sacrificial to say hey we're not going to do this until you do that for for that Community as well.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I don't know if anybody ever think that big, but it would have to be people that will stop the process of the regular Olympics, so that will give attention to the spectrum, from.

NORMA STANLEY: Which is what's happening now, unfortunately with the whole what happened to George floyd and everything and now people are starting to realize that racism really does exist and we need to make some changes in our with.

NORMA STANLEY: The police policing and things like that, but it was always there, but until people started saying, people who are you know, not necessarily us started saying.

NORMA STANLEY: yeah this is real and we have to address it i'm nobody was really listening and so yeah you probably.

NORMA STANLEY: right, you probably need some people who are not actually who don't necessarily have a connection to the Community, but want to help make some things those of us who are making the most noise have a connection to the community already.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Yes, it has to be people who are afluent away from the community that has a heart for the struggle to make more of an influence, because if the athletes.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: boycotted or were very vocal or had some type of unified commemoration to give attention to the special needs in the Olympics.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Then it would be more powerful powerful and it will be heard, but if you're dealing with the the powers that be they're going to see how can we make more money if we can't make money from it, if you cannot.

NORMA STANLEY: It all comes down to economics.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: comes down to economics, you know who wants to see little Johnny run across the field or miss Sarah with no legs do gymnastics you know and look at it, with the right mindset, not as a spectacle, but as competition on a special level.

NORMA STANLEY: level that.

NORMA STANLEY: Most people would never be able to do and so many again athletes who are just accomplishing such amazing things but.

NORMA STANLEY: When you have situations like you know Simone biles being ridiculed because she had to take a mental health break as fantastic, as she is the typical athlete it's a growth it's a it's an education and growth process that we just have to keep moving towards and.

NORMA STANLEY: And it's just the way it is.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That, I want to bring out the fact that.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Me being a veteran.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: When people see me walk into a room know that i'm a veteran and not knowing what happened to me it seems to be more uplift and respect.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: in thinking that that was something that was acquired in the military service.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: So if you're disabled by military service, it seems to be a whole different world view and value as it relates to a person that civilian with a disability, the value in your stock goes down.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: So when they find out it wasn't a military service related situation they go, oh okay.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You know.

NORMA STANLEY: And it should not be either one.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: yeah but that's the way people process this yeah yeah.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: like, if I were my veteran hat and go anywhere and they see me with that Walker they are just they want to salute me.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: I get that open the doors for me, I get smiles it's like every day is Memorial Day and fourth of July, you know what i'm saying you know veterans day.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: But when I take that hat off and become a civilian i'm just that the guy with the Walker and let's let's help him out because they don't open the doors for me, because they care for me, they want to make sure I get out of the building without falling for lawsuit.


Oba Chikelu- Dedric: You can feel the spirit of the treatment of the people, oh, let me help you why do you want to help me, are you helping me because you want to make sure your policies and procedures are right, if I fall.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Or do you really care about me, you know these are things that psychologically, we have to deal with, and you have to be strong.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Because people treat you many different ways, when you leave the four walls of your home you go into this world that has so many perspectives you're going to be met by many of them within the course of eight hour day.

NORMA STANLEY: Absolutely and and that's where faith and a spiritual foundation like I said it's always something that I fall back on.

NORMA STANLEY: And so you know, at the end of the show but i'm happy to share some people some you know where they can reach you how to keep in touch with you at salt and life truth Center and need some more information.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: salt and life truth center's in decatur Georgia, the address is 2622 snapfinger road decatur Georgia 30034.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: We have a website is the.

NORMA STANLEY: www.sltcempowermentzone.com

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: That way you can find out more about us and learn more about us, but please come we have services in the building twice a month, the first Sunday is at 9am the third Sunday is at 10am and we also have a Teleservice that we have on these on the second and fourth Sunday.

NORMA STANLEY: that's right, so you guys it's an awesome awesome ministry and i'm thankful to be a part of it, and I just wanted to have Bishop avery share.

NORMA STANLEY: Some of His story, because I think it's something that people need to understand because there but for the grace of God, for all of us all of this and all it takes we're all just one incident away.

NORMA STANLEY: from being a part a member of the disability community and that's just a reality, so thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to be on disabled lives matter and we'll be talking with you again soon.

Oba Chikelu- Dedric: Thank you so much, I appreciate the opportunity for being on here today.


Oba Chikelu- Dedric: See you later.

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