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Disabled Lives Matter

Season 1, Episode 3

Co-Hosts: Nadine Vogel & Norma Stanley

Guest: LA Williams

Guest Contact Information: 267-290-8188

Intro: [Music playing in background] Disabled Lives Matter… here we go!

Voiceover: Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the disabled lives matter podcast with co-hosts Nadine Vogel and Norma Stanley... yay!

Nadine Vogel: hello, this is Nadine Vogel your host of disabled lives matter. Disabled lives matter is more than just a podcast, it is a movement and helping me create this movement is my partner in crime my co-host Norma Stanley, welcome Norma.

Norma Stanley: hi everybody this is going to be a great show and we're really excited to bring it to you today, so you know today we're actually going to be speaking with an amazing person, Mr. LA Williams, you want to tell them about Mr. Williams, Nadine?

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely so LA is Vice President of dealer synergy, he is known as and we're gonna come back to this, the blind phone master la you're really gonna have to tell us about that one. He's had experience in the music industry which we're going to talk about 10 plus years in the automotive industry. I've had a chance to get to know him over the last month, and he is just one great guy and I am so glad LA you have joined us today.

LA Williams: Oh, thanks I appreciate it appreciate y'all having me.

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely so tell us a little bit more about your background. Let's start with that.

LA Williams: Alright, so goodness gracious for me, I always tell people listen I’m from average and ordinary town America, you know I’m saying. Like most like everybody else right just the average real black kid from North Philly, the only thing that is distinctly different about me is that I’m totally blind right. So, I lost my sight at the age of three due to having glaucoma on my third birthday, I had my twelfth surgery and lost my sight completely, so I don't say that to get into kind of pity or anything like that from anybody, I promise you. I more so just say it, because you know I'm the kind of person that you know when I was growing up and stuff like that, I wanted to be able to do all this stuff all other kids did right. And it was a problem because you know they wouldn't let me do it it'd be like Oh well, you can't do this, you can't do this, and it was really annoying to me right. So, like you know growing up of the kids would be you know playing their video games and stuff like that, or they would be you know riding bikes and stuff I’m like man, I want to ride my bike to so what I can see. Right, it was other kids that was playing video games like I said I’ll be like, so what I can't see I want to play video games right, so I will be like man, I want to play, I want to play. So, I would be doing that kind of stuff regardless and so anyway, so I just I’m like I’m the kind of person I don't want nobody putting no limits on me right, so I just I just always have had that thought process of it. You know if it can be done, I can do it, I just might have to do it a little bit differently so that's.

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely! I love, so what I can't see. Exactly I always say to people, so what I’m short. And I'm short LA, you haven't seen me in person right I’m five feet on a good hair day so. But I think that point and Norma, you and I talked about this right having both having adult daughters with disabilities, no limits.

Norma Stanley: Exactly. Exactly.

Nadine Vogel: Why do they put limits on us?

Norma Stanley: it's so easy for people to do that when they assume that there is something that they consider quote on quote wrong. But you know we can't afford to do that, we can't afford that our children and can't afford to let anyone else who has any ability not be able to use that ability and, and that's what this movement is all about to really maximize. The, the awareness of all the amazing people out there, doing some amazing things that not too many people know about.

Norma Stanley: Like LA.

Nadine Vogel: Right well la you know it's interesting because when we talk about not only no limits, I actually see your blindness, in some ways, as your superpower right. You and I have talked about that because. I know you do right because you have focused your energy on other skills right the art of sound. And tone and inflection and ability to hear things that I bet others can't relate to how they sound, how they come across so talk to us a little bit about that, because when you coach people that must be an amazing process.

LA Williams: Well, you know, one of my favorite quotes is you know, never allow the things that you can't do to distract from what you can do right. And so, my thought process is like for me I’m listening, like remember club house came out and remember the audio Apps and everything listen that's all the way up my alley right. We know that 55% of communication is visual perception body language, but a lot of times we don’t have that, especially if you talk on the phone with most people right, well with anybody right. And so, 38% is tone inflection and so, for me, I said listen that's a large enough piece of communication that people should really put a lot of energy into it right just 7% of communication is text and the words that we use in a problem is a lot of folks just want to text people all the goddamn time. Come on, now how are you going, you can't really you can't hear my heart over a text message. So, I’ve focused on you know also coming from the music industry that's the kind of the cool part about coaching is that. You know when you're talking to a customer all you're doing is basically saying in the hook to him right he just getting them locked in right getting them to really enjoy what it is that you're saying, and you know, make them continuously be attracted to you. So, for me like that's the thought process that I put behind this I like music.

Nadine Vogel: Oh so, so, but I’m curious. Let's continue on this, because how did you take that skill and turn it into something that you have been so successful with in the automotive sales industry? I remember we were having a conversation, and you know it was like, so do you also drive the cars that we're talking about. That would be a little scary. But talk to us about how the automotive industry came together for you, with this.

LA Williams: Okay, so I actually like I said I still open up a studio that was making like $60 an hour reading my studio and I got this client. Name Karena Bradley's pop artists and everything like that, and her husband Sean Bradley says to me man la if you can get pop artists to get songs to sound good. I know you can get salespeople to get phone calls to sound good right, I mean because, like I said it's just thinking ahead to the customer, and you know initially I didn't believe him like yeah, yeah, I am living my life for my life, whatever leave me alone right.

But I went down to one of his seminars and you know, he was you know just really talking to people and really changing folks lives and I'm like wow if I can make a difference, you know in music. What if I could really do what he's talking about he's gonna make it, you know how he makes a little bit of money you know. So, I said, let me, let me lock arms with this guy and really you know dive in. See it's so crazy because right now, they call me the blind phone master in the automotive industry but outside right now I’ve pretty much dropped the phone because I’m like I’m master everything that I do so I’m just the blind master now is like.

Nadine Vogel: I like that.

LA Williams: As far as coaching folks as far as coaching folks I just teach them the same way I did in the automotive industry, I treat my automotive professionals, as if they're in the booth like when they say something one way, I’m like nope don't do it again say back right, right and then do it again. So, I train them the same way and I learned that from Dr Dre. I mean Dre he'll make you say a line 75 times one line 75 times until he sounds exactly the way he envisions it so.

Nadine Vogel: I'm saying, yeah.

Norma Stanley: That's awesome because you know I have recorded my first CD about a year ago and it was an amazing experience, and I, you know, working with producers. They absolutely hear things that you don't hear, as the person who's doing the recording and you know that's an amazing and a very important part to getting that project done so that it can be accepted by who you want to hear it. And you know that's such an amazing skill and do you think that you know, the fact that you are blind has helped to heighten that opportunity to hear things because, like, like I said, my producer when he says does what he does and he's you know produce people like you know Mike Phillips, and people like that. You know it's like how did you hear that, how do you do, that is, is that an innate skill, or just something that you can learn to do.

LA Williams: Well, I actually think it is something that I learned to do something that I focused on right whatever it is that you focus on will grow. So, I’m not, I don't think that sighted people can't do some of this stuff that I do. I just think they choose not to, right. It's kind of just like you know, a new mom, right, will hear things from her new baby that a regular person is going to like, I didn't know she was wet. How'd you know he was hungry? yeah, you know. It's a certain type of cry that says oh I’m tired mom, you see what I'm saying? That's what I think it's, it's all in the brain.

Nadine Vogel: So, I'm in the right, yeah. Everything is in the brain, for better or for worse.

Norma Stanley: What you focus on is what you draw.

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely good, better and different right, you know, and the problem is when we think about just diversity in general that's part of the problem, we make assumptions. In their head is what they act on whether it's appropriate and not appropriate right and that's what I see, there's a pause. I think you know, LA you have produced tracks for some amazing people right you've mentioned Dr. Dre, but I think also lil Wayne Katy Perry Katrina Bradley's Bradley, and then you transition, I think, if I recall correctly, you are the voice for jigsaw In the SAW movies?

LA Williams: Yes, so that was a lot of fun, it was a situation where Darren Bows, a man who wrote a lot of the later versions of SAW, I met him when I went to full sail University on my tour. And he was like yeah man, you know reach out to me if you ever want to do some postproduction and I’m all excited I don't even know what postproduction is right so, so, I graduate and I sent him the email and everything and I graduated in 2004 and he reached out to me he responds to my email in like 2006. So, I mean you know it's one of those things you never expect something to come back and then it does and in 2007 I went to. Canada, he flew me out to Toronto, and we're just you know, working on sounds and different things, but the actor, John he ended up getting sick or something he couldn't do his what we call adr, what we call automatic dialogue replacement. And so, there was some scenes that he had to do where he wasn't on screen, just like recordings and things and we were playing around and I'm doing a voice like make your choice clever dog, you know. So, they were like can you really can you record that, and I was you know just thinking it wasn't serious he's like no I’m serious I really need your help, so I recorded a lot of the lines that are like kind of like off screen that are taped and things like that so it's kind of fun.

Nadine Vogel: Norma, this whole conversation just reinforces that the whole premise is, right to see, that disabled lives matter.

Norma Stanley: Absolutely, and the diversity of talent, that is available if people really want to access it, you know and so many people say they can't find like the same, as you know, in in marketing and PR and things like that they said, you know we can't find people who can do this, that and the other, are you truly looking.

LA Williams: You don't know where to look.

Nadine Vogel: That's the problem. Or they're looking the other way. That's what concerns me more

Norma Stanley: That's exactly right.

Nadine Vogel: Not that they don't know where to look but they're looking the other way, and their looking the other way because they're thinking and making assumptions about what someone can and can't do based on how they come across, la what what's the solution to this dear God, how do we fix this.

LA Williams: I wish I knew right because here's the thing for me I’ve only experienced that when I was younger right as I got older and. Maybe it was something where because my mom was a big proponent in this she's like you know you know don't be holding my son back because he can't do stuff even playing on the football team right ever like, well LA I don't know how you're going to do such as such as such and I’m like well, let me show you, right, and so, once I started to have that swag, once I started to have that carry myself like I can do anything that you can do except see, then people started like really just putting me in position, like, I mean, I guess, he can do it, I don't know I mean it's I think that I think that we do as disabled individuals, I think we have to take some responsibility because we got it we got it. We got to put out there right, we have to show and let the word I’m looking for is kind of escaping me but we gotta like you know, a glow that we can do stuff right we can't glow that oh I’m so timid and Labor no we can't do that, like you, gotta be forward so.

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely and Norma, you and I, so LA just so you know Norma and I when you're talking about your mom we're sitting here with smiles from ear to ear as you know moms with kids with disabilities and I think that we don't talk about that a lot we don't talk about you know the parents pushing behind to get you where you are so, then you can run with it.

Yeah, I always told my girls, you know you're gonna need to develop thick skin. I'm not always going to be here, you need to run with it, and I have to say that they have become the best self-advocates out there because of it.

Norma Stanley: Yeah.

LA Williams: I'm a big fan of Miss Kristin Smedley. I was trying to tell you about, I couldn't think of her name, when we were doing my show. But Kristin Smedley, she has a YouTube Ted talk that she did talking about her sons, she has to blind sons and an unsighted daughter and man I’m telling you it takes you through an emotional rollercoaster so I don't know how I can plug her, but I guess I did already.

Nadine Vogel: Yeah.

Norma Stanley: And that's true because having a child, like my daughter with cerebral palsy and she doesn't talk and she does not have the intellectual capacity, you know of somebody her age, but my goal for her Is to live the best life possible and to make sure that she gets to do things like that she can do like model she loves clothes. And you know, so we do what we need to do to make sure that she gets in front of people Whenever she can on a runway and you know you have to maximize whatever the potential is and like you say, have a little bit of swagger as you do it.

LA Williams: Now I'm telling you you're really hitting because it goes back to my quote: don't allow the things that you can't do to distract from the things that you can do there so much stuff.

That you have at your disposal that you just got to maximize that so, but you can't do the other part, nobody's worried about that focus on what you can do, and it will grow, and it will manifest into it'll, it'll you know take over the world, so I love.

Nadine Vogel: Amen so on that note we're gonna, we're gonna go to commercial break, but one thing I do want to say before we do LA just about what you just said is that that's for everybody, right, not just people with disabilities that's what people don't realize we all want to show our best selves you know I’m terrible at math, right, I am just terrible when it comes to math and numbers it's just not my skill set.

LA Williams: I got your back.

Nadine Vogel: If you think I'm going to go into a job, where I have to focus on numbers that would be really bad, but I know that about myself right. So, focus on things that you are good at that you can do, I love it. Well with that we're gonna go to a short commercial break and then we're going to come back and hear more from the amazing the incomparable la Williams.

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Nadine Vogel: Hello, and welcome back to this episode of disabled lives matter, this is Nadine Vogel, your host with your co-host Norma Stanley and today's fabulous guest LA Williams. Norma

Nadine Vogel: Oh, my gosh this is, you know you've made me laugh so much through this set. It's really cool and you know it just goes to show how comfortable you make everyone that you're around LA. I've had this experience with you, the last two times we've been on together, and just so you know so thank you. So, part of this part of this conversation of disabled lives matters needs to focus on some topics that are uncomfortable right? So, Norma I’m going to turn this over to you to maybe lead us through our first uncomfortable topic and let's see where that goes.

Norma Stanley: Okay well you know, there is a real I think misunderstanding about people of color with disabilities, who tend to be you know, targeted in some ways um when it comes to issues like police brutality, I don't think the community knows just how important it is to people to understand that a lot of the people who have been. You know. Victims of that situation have been people with disabilities, and they have been people of color. You know whether it's autism or whatever the challenge was mental illness, that is something that is not being really paid enough attention to and you know, people of color are being victimized in that regard and that's a subject that I think needs to be discussed a little bit more intently than it has been. Is that something, how do you think about that? Because I mean right now, we just had the recognition of you know Bloody Sunday, I mean if people in color who have disabilities have been a part of making change from day one in our communities, the same way. You know African Americans have, you know, revolutionized the changes that needed to take place in our communities just so we can have the freedoms to do the things we do today, even though they're trying to turn some things backwards, but we're not going into that right now, but you know. What do you think about that, and how can we move into, you know, helping people to recognize that this needs to change and, and some of the solutions that we can possibly put in place?

Nadine Vogel: And LA before you before you respond I would just like to add that this podcast today is being pre-recorded right after the same infamous march, 1965 Selma Alabama protest. We want to recognize the bravery strength and determination of those marchers protesting against racial injustice and we dedicate this podcast specifically to the late Martin Luther King and the late John Lewis.

Norma Stanley: That's right.

Nadine Vogel: All the people that marched that day, so I just think that's important so LA back to you.

LA Williams: Hey, thank you so much, now that, now that makes me even feel even more honored. To dedicate something to those folks I mean you know put themselves really in so much harm's way. In order for the rest of us to live better lives, so I just want to say thank you to them again right um but no everything you talked about is 100% true and it's wild, because I mean even the George Floyd situation, I think he was a slightly autistic, there was something different about him you know. And I think that one thing is awareness, Nadine you talk about it a lot the simple fact that folks just aren't aware and so, then they treat the situation, you know as normal, I remember listening, I was talking about the time I got locked up. You know I'm saying, and you know it was so crazy because they were like you know now, it was a halfway domestic situation, and I was actually the one who called the cops because I was like yo this girl's crazy right she bout to kill me you know what I'm saying. Yeah exactly right, so it was crazy because I mean the cop basically locked me up, and it was funny because, when he took me in, right, that you know you could you could, there was not, here was an air, but the lady, one person actually said it, they were like, really Dan I’m, I don't know if the guy's name was Dan but it's like really Dan, like you go and bring the blind guy in like seriously like come on man like you know. So, not to say that I couldn't have been dangerous or anything, but I think that the people knew that you know, based on what was really going on, I was the one who needed some protection. And they didn't do that for me at all, you know it was crazy, but so what you're talking about is very real. You know there's a lack of awareness of what's happening and then people are, they're purposely discriminatory against anything that's different and so some people take the, the, account like I don't care you can't see how to do this anyway, and then some people take the account that. I'm not paying attention to that and so I’m going to just treat you just like a regular average ordinary person as you can see, shining lights in your face and stuff like that, like what do you think that's going to do. I remember one time, I was at my studio and I think I might of set the alarm off or something but, whatever. So, the guy the, the cop knocks on the door and I'm like who is it and they're like it's the police, and so I kind of like crack the door open a little bit and I’m like how you doing and I like putting my hand out to shake it and he liked just slap my hand down like oh that's how you gonna be and I’m like I’ll go back at my studio. And then he realized I can't see, he's like oh wait I’m sorry. No, you shouldn't treat a normal person like that. It's so, there's so many different situations, but I definitely believe that um number one we got to raise awareness and people got to know what to do and I apologize if I’m like staying on this, but I do jujitsu right, so I’m in jewelry jujitsu and what was crazy yesterday I’m in there and I’m working with a little guy right he's a little guy and I find out he's like hey I need my shoulder for what I do I say, what do you do he's like I’m a police officer and I’m like oh, now, this makes so much sense to me okay y'all can't see me but I’m kind of a bigger guy now I finally get to say that right I’m a bigger guy and so I’m like man I’m darn strong too man, you know you're doing something really, really good, and I said this is crazy because a lot of this is it goes into something else that I do it's like insurance we learn how to do these moves and you know break somebody's shoulder and all but you really hope that you never have to do it. And if you're really a professional if you could show the restraint like I can get you, to the point where I’m. Almost going to break your shoulder, but if you learn how to relax and if you're going to calm down, then I don't have to do it so there's little stuff like that that I think that um you know folks need to be trained it's the bottom line.

Norma Stanley: Yeah and I do believe it is a lack of training because there's a lack of sensitivity to begin with, and you know again if the people in the force are not trained properly because they don't have the right type of information in terms of how to approach people with potential disabilities or mental illnesses, then they're not going to go out and do what needs to be done, and if they have a predisposition to think of us as people of color as enemies, to begin with, then you're just gonna have a whole you know, a just a mess and that's what we're seeing in our society today it's a disastrous mess and we have to stop.

LA Williams: Yes. Yep. Hundred percent, so training all begins with training.

Nadine Vogel: Well, I want to touch on this because my frustration is that I have reached, Springboard has reached out, our company, to so many police departments around the country and in other countries by the way, to provide training and I get met with well you know we really don't have budget for that or we just completed our general diversity training that's just going to have to do for now, or, I mean just all kinds of things right and I’m just like what do you mean you ran out of budget, this is important, and the more I get a response, like that the more, just angry right, you know and frustrated I get because I think when they say that what they're saying to me is disabled lives don't matter. And that is just frustrating as heck right, because then they're saying my girls don't matter. Now it's personal.

LA Williams: So, let's ask this, what can we do about that, because I think there's got to be some solutions, we talked about you know, everybody, you know, back in the day it was a marching type situation now it's like yeah, we put that type of stuff on blast I mean. Let's do some media behind it like let's go, you know.

Nadine Vogel: Right no, no, absolutely and I, you know when I try to your point earlier la you know about you know I help people see and solve the problems they don't see for themselves, you had said that we were on break and I’m thinking okay you're right that's what we do, but unfortunately, not everyone wants to, and I don't mean this as a pun, but not everyone wants to see.

LA Williams: Until they hurt, until they feel it, see that's what the challenge is see people run away from pain vs towards pleasure so. Oh well, no, I mean it'd be nice I’d like to do the you know the amazing training that you guys have but until you feel the pain of not doing it. Now you definitely run to do it it's a shame it's kind of like you know insurance thing I talk about right.

People be like oh LA, yeah cause I’m saying yeah I'ma get it I’m gonna get I’m gonna get it, and then, when somebody in their household or you know their family goes into hospitals like yeah, I need to get that life insurance, she was talking about, you know I’m saying my son's mother I’m sorry I’m just going to put her on blast real quick right. She actually developed a form of cancer or something like that, and then I've been doing life insurance for like 10 years and she's like oh yeah, I need to be able to talk to you about that life insurance like now it's too late. You can't get it now.

Norma Stanley: It's preventative. That's the point, it's important, you don't want to wait until the situation comes and then you'd crisis management, you know it's all part of getting ready for something you know and preparing to handle it before it happens. That's just good business.

LA Williams: Yeah, you need Health Insurance after you in the hospital, but you can't get it then you know.

Nadine Vogel: No, no, absolutely and you know it's interesting you brought the life insurance cause my husband has worked in that industry for 35 years and, and you know you right people like can I still get well Oh, I guess, I should tell you I had a heart attack so that's when it comes to like you know, understanding what I need, but you know I just find even with disability right if you bring it back to disability unless and until someone experiences disability either themselves, their child or family member they don't get it.

LA Williams: This is what we need to have happen. This why I loved that program that you talked about when you video people trying to like to go through people's websites and everything that's how somebody feels it, so we need to get some video like and just put it out there that's, how can we do that y'all? I'm excited.

Nadine Vogel: Okay, another project for LA. We are going to be talking about so many more things after this.

LA Williams: I'm telling you I want in like let's go.

Nadine Vogel: Absolutely, but you know that I do want to touch on to because you're a parent, and I know parenting in and of itself is just really important to you talk to us about that talk to us about being a dad.

LA Williams: So, this is a very interesting type of situation but let's just kind of like you know, the thing I think that's crazy for me is that. My son, initially, I want to kind of think where maybe when he was about six, I think he really figured it out right because, or it was just like you know okay everything's everything, and you know I mean I had been around him and, and, he has brothers on his mom's side and stuff like that, so they have all been around me. But the one time, I think we got out of the car and he, like, took my hand and he took the lead, for the first time I thought that was kind of cool I’m like, yo he really gets it like.

Nadine Vogel: And it's amazing, little kids get it better than adults.

Norma Stanley: They sure do.

LA Williams: Yeah absolutely, but I mean I'm so proud of him right now just made the basketball team so yeah he's just you know he know how to roll he, he, he look out for me, you know I’m saying we walking and stuff like that he does like I said a better job than you know some quote on quote trained people who are trained by the wrong people, by the way, I was telling Nadine about going through the airport, where people like slow down when you coming to a step that's The worst thing you can do, don't do that so just keep it moving keep the pace going pace is more important, so, but no father, being a father man it's a blessing, and I love what you said how the kids understand it, more so than the adults do because it's all it's almost natural to'em so.

Nadine Vogel: Right. Well, they haven't had time to develop that bias right and.

Norma Stanley: That's the thing and that's where it comes from. These children that I'm blowing up today with any kind of bias, any kind of prejudice, any kind of bigotry they're being trained to be that way. And it doesn't have to be so we have to change ourselves as a society to not train our children, you know they said train up a child, the way they should go, yeah. We don't have to be this way we are choosing to be this way and that's an unfortunate thing yeah.

Nadine Vogel: Well, I gotta tell you, I, you know when talked about training and I know we're about to run out of time, what we hear a lot of training I'm sure both of you hear about is this thing called unconscious bias and that's like the new buzzword that's the training that all these companies are doing and, and I gotta tell you when it comes well probably more than disability, but I believe that when it comes to disability bias is conscious it doesn't mean that someone's necessarily trying to be mean right. But, based on their experience or lack thereof right or how they grew up or where they grew up its biased, but we have to own it. People will not own their bias and that drives me crazy.

LA Williams: Yes, I mean that's what you talked about the whole you know race thing and they just, just own it; you know what I'm saying just admit, right, that it's not something that you're familiar with you don't know anything about it. And I think when people admit like you know, like, I was thinking, I was working with Mr. Gabriel Craddick and he talked about you know yeah, I might have probably had some white privilege like people correct me and we're like well that doesn't exist are you crazy, right, everything privilege exists. I mean man privilege female privileges exist you know I’m saying look I used to have fun being on a cheerleader bus when I was in high school, I had blind privilege you know what I'm saying.

Nadine Vogel: Okay that's a whole nother privilege.

LA Williams: I used to love; can you help me put my dress on? Sure.

Nadine Vogel: Ok we are going downhill fast. Alright Norma, we have to create a different podcast for that. Absolutely, but I am so sad to say that we are out of time, oh my gosh LA it has been a pleasure, having you on this show, I hope you will join us again, and you can be sure that Norma and I are going to be calling you for about five other projects now as a result of this. So again, this is Nadine Vogel with my co-host Norma Stanley signing out for this episode of disabled lives matter with la Williams and we look forward to seeing you.

LA Williams: Put my number in the show notes.

Nadine Vogel: Okay, you got it well you know what LA, what is your number go ahead put it out there.

LA Williams: Okay, 267-290-8188. You can find me on all social media platforms, including clubhouse the blind master.

Nadine Vogel: Oh, I love that, that's so sexy, you know. See y'all next time. Bye, bye.

Norma Stanley: Bye.

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