In this podcast Professor Jonah Perlin (Georgetown Law) interviews lawyers from across the profession about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well.
When you look up “Personal Jurisdiction” in Black’s Law Dictionary, it directs you to the entry for “Jurisdiction.” We won’t do that to you. We’re here because there’s not enough good information available for law students and new attorneys to make informed choices about their careers. Join co-hosts Allison Freedman and Hallie Ritzu as we talk to a variety of people within the first 10ish years of practice to hear about their journeys to fulfilling careers and the advice they have for gettin ...
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#100: Kristen Vander-Plas LaFreniere - Teeny Law Firm Founder, Business Lawyer, and Litigator
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💯 Welcome to Episode #100 of the How I Lawyer Podcast! 💯 I started the podcast in January 2021 to help junior lawyers, law students, and the legal community learn from the stories of lawyers from across the profession about what they do, why they do it, and how they do it well. 100 episodes later the podcast has grown beyond my wildest dreams. If y…
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#099: Jenni Katzman - Government & Policy Lawyer
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In today's episode I speak with Jenni Katzman who is a government & policy lawyer with experience in all three branches of government, several political campaigns, and non-profit advocacy organizations. Currently, she is the General Counsel and Chief of Domestic Policy for Senator Ron Wyden (D-Or). Before working on Capitol Hill, Jenni worked as a …
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#098: Panel Opinion - How to Succeed as a Junior Associate with Sean Marotta and Michelle Strowhiro
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In today’s special episode of How I Lawyer, Panel Opinion I am excited to speak with two law firm partners on how to succeed as a junior associates at a law firm with Sean Marotta and Michelle Strowhiro. Michelle is an employment partner and M&A transaction advisor in McDermott’s LA and Orange County Offices. She leads McDermott’s Transactions and …
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#097: Jonah Perlin - Law Professor and How I Lawyer Host (Interviewed by Personal Jurisdiction)
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In this final episode of 2022, I decided to share a little bit about how I lawyer. Yes, after 96 episodes as your host, I thought it fitting to end year 2 of the podcast with a little bit more about what I do, why I do it, and how I do it well (or try to). As the host of the show I really like finding interesting guests and asking the questions. I …
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#096: Karine Sokpoh - Business and Immigration Lawyer
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In today’s special episode recorded LIVE at ClioCon I spoke with Karine Sokpoh who practices immigration, family law, and intellectual property at 402 Legal in Omaha. She also teaches at her local university and helped found the first and only Black Chamber of Commerce in Nebraska. Originally from Togo, Karine recently won the first Reisman Award f…
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#095: Kevin Buckley - Biopharma and Digital Health Patent Attorney
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In today’s special episode recorded LIVE at ClioCon I spoke with Kevin Buckley of the Torrey Pines Law Group. Kevin is an accomplished international patent attorney & executive. He founded Torrey Pines Law Group in 2013 to help his clients bring lifesaving, enduring, and commercially valuable technologies to market after previously working in Big L…
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#094: Jack Newton - Legal Tech Founder & CEO
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In today’s episode I speak with Legal Technologist and Clio Founder & CEO Jack Newton. Although not a lawyer himself, Jack is a technologist and entrepreneur who has long been at the forefront of cloud-based legal technology who is recognized as one of the profession’s foremost experts on security, ethics, and privacy issues related to lawyers’ use…
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#093: John Grant - Legal Process Improvement Coach
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Hello & Welcome Back! In today’s episode I speak with John Grant. John worked in the technology industry for a decade before going to law school and then went on to practice in-house, in his own law firm, and as the executive director of the Commons Law Center in Portland Oregon which works to fill the access to civil justice gap for people who qua…
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#092: Mark Palmer - Chief Counsel of the Illinois Supreme Court Commission on Professionalism & Former Police Officer
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Hello & Welcome Back! In today’s special episode recorded at ClioCon I spoke with Mark Palmer. He is the Chief Counsel at 2Civility, the Illinois Supreme Court Commission on Professionalism where he works to facilitate the promotion of professionalism, civility, and integrity among lawyers and judges in Illinois. He is also an Adjunct Professor at …
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Let’s Get Personal with the Mock Trial Coaches from the Class Action Podcast
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Class Action with Katie Phang isan immersive 12 part documentary podcast series about the next generation of lawyers, heard through the voices of law students competing in mock trial tournaments around the country. You can listen to Class Action on iHeart, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you like to listen! Adria Kimbrough is the Student Recr…
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Let's Get Personal with Rachel Easter, Senior Counsel at National Women's Law Center
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Rachel Easter is Senior Counsel and Director of Federal Abortion Policy Initiatives at the National Women's Law Center in Washington, D.C., She has spent the entirety of her legal career at the National Women's Law Center, starting out as a Women's Law and Public Policy Fellow and working her way up to Senior Counsel. Rachel is a 2014 graduate of S…
Hello & Welcome Back! In today’s special episode recorded LIVE at ClioCon I spoke with family lawyer Angela Lennon. Angela is a Partner at the Omaha Law Firm Koenig Dunne where she focuses her practice on collaborative divorce. Angela is active in legal and local business organization and has won a number of awards for her work. She recently won Cl…
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#090: A Short Chat with Former Solicitor General Neal Katyal on Audience and Writing
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In this mini-episode of How I Lawyer recorded live at ClioCon in Nashville, I spoke with Neal Katyal who is a partner at Hogan Lovells and the former Solicitor General of the United States. Most importantly for my purposes, he also was my criminal law professor when I was a student at Georgetown Law. In our brief chat, we discussed the importance o…
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#089: Mary Chartier - Michigan Criminal Defense Lawyer
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In today’s special, mini-episode recorded LIVE at ClioCon I spoke with Michigan Criminal Defense lawyer Mary Chartier. Mary has successfully defended clients in numerous federal and state trial courts and on appeal at the Michigan Supreme Court. Mary’s practice is not limited to one single area of criminal law but instead she has developed a reputa…
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Let's Get Personal about Designing Your Life in the Law with Bridgette Carr and Vivek Sankaran
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Are you interested in giving the LawView, LifeView, and Journey Mapping exercises a try? Head on over to our website to check out each of the exercises for yourself! Bridgette Carr is a Clinical Professor of Law and the Associate Dean for Strategic Initiatives at the University of Michigan Law School. She is also the founding director of the Law Sc…
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#088: Joshua Lenon - Legal Tech "Lawyer in Residence"
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In today’s episode I speak with Joshua Lenon who is the Lawyer in Residence and Data Protection Officer at major legal software company Clio. Joshua has served in this role at Clio for the past decade and before that he worked at Thomson-Reuters. I interviewed Josh just a few days before I attended ClioCon—a major legal technology convention where …
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Let's Get Personal with Jeena Cho, JD, Mindfulness Consultant and Coach and Co-author of The Anxious Lawyer
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Jeena Cho is a Legal Mindfulness Consultant and Coach. Prior to becoming a fulltime mindfulness coach in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, Jeena was an Assistant State Attorney at the Hillsborough County State Attorney's Office and a longtime partner at JC Law Group PC, where she practiced bankruptcy law in California. Jeena is co-author of The An…
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Let's Get Personal with Noah Nix, 3L at UGA Law and Legal Intern at the Office of the Federal Public Defender
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Noah Nix is a third year law student at the University of Georgia School of Law in Athens, Georgia. Currently, Noah is serving as a legal intern in the Appellate & Trial Groups at the office of the Federal Public Defender for the Districts of Colorado and Wyoming. He is based in the Denver, Colorado office. Noah will graduate from law school in spr…
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#087: Eli Albrecht - Big Law Corporate M&A Private Equity Lawyer & Law Dad
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In today's episode I speak with Eli Albrecht who is an Associate at Gibson Dunn’s Washington D.C. office where he is a member of the corporate practice with a focus on private equity and mergers and acquisitions. In addition to his day job, Eli writes about his own path in the legal profession primarily on LinkedIn where, in his words, he focuses o…
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Let's Get Personal with Jonah Perlin, Georgetown Law Professor and How I Lawyer Podcast Host
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Jonah Perlin teaches legal practice and advanced legal writing courses at Georgetown Law as a full-time Associate Professor of Law, Legal Practice. Before teaching at Georgetown Law, Jonah worked at Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C. where he specialized in complex civil litigation in the United States and abroad. While at Williams & Conno…
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#086: Ashley Herd - HR & Employment Lawyer, General Counsel, TikTok Creator
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In this episode I speak with Ashley Herd who is the founder and CEO of Manager Method where she helps employers and employees through training, coaching and tools that are engaging and actionable. Previously she was the SVP of People & Legal at Modern Luxury, an Associate General Counsel at McKinsey, a Legal Director at Yum foods, as well as in-hou…
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Let's Get Personal with Mark Feldman, Senior Litigation Attorney at the National Immigrant Justice Center
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Mark Feldman is a Senior Litigation Attorney at the National Immigrant Justice Center (NIJC) in Washington, D.C. Prior to his time at NIJC, he was both a Staff Attorney and Senior Attorney at the Capital Area Immigrants' Rights Coalition, also in Washington, D.C., and a Law Fellow through the Equal Justice Initiative in Montgomery, Alabama. Mark cl…
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#085: Helen Wan - Media Lawyer Turned Novelist, Author of The Partner Track (Now a Netflix Series)
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In this episode I speak with Helen Wan. Helen is an author, speaker, and diversity and inclusion consultant who previously worked as a corporate, media, and intellectual property lawyer at law firms and in-house. She is best known as the author of The Partner Track which was recently turned into an original TV series on Netflix. Helen was born in C…
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Let's Get Personal with Sharonmoyee Goswami, Partner at Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
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Sharonmoyee Goswami is a Partner at Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP in New York City. Sharonmoyee's practice focuses on intellectual property, antitrust and litigation involving complex scientific issues. She is a graduate of Princeton University (2009) and New York University School of Law (2012, Order of the Coif., magna cum laude). Sharonmoyee clerk…
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#084: Sateesh Nori - Housing Rights Attorney
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In today’s episode I am excited to speak with Housing Rights Attorney Sateesh Nori. Sateesh went from pursuing human rights law as a career to working in housing court in Brooklyn. He spent more than twenty years as a legal services attorney at The Legal Aid Society of New York City (including most recently as Attorney in Charge of the Queens Neigh…
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Let's Get Personal with Wookie Kim, Legal Director at ACLU of Hawaii
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Wookie Kim is the legal director at the ACLU of Hawaii. He is also a Lecturer in Law at the University of Hawaii at Manoa William S. Richardson School of Law. Prior to his time in Hawaii, Wookie was an Associate at Quinn Emanuel in Washington DC and clerked for the Honorable Catherine C. Blake in the District of Maryland. Wookie is a 2009 graduate …
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#083: Megan Cacace - Civil Rights Lawyer & Technology Anti-Discrimination Advocate
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In today’s episode, I speak with Megan Cacace who is a civil rights lawyer and anti-discrimination advocate focused on the intersection of civil rights and technology. She currently serves as the Director of Anti-Discrimination & Equity Programs at Airbnb. Previously she worked as a civil rights lawyer at the law firm of Relman Colfax for almost 14…
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Let's Get Personal with Nathan Brenner, Attorney, Mergers IV at Federal Trade Commission
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Nathan Brenner is an attorney at the Federal Trade Commission in Washington, D.C. Before joining the FTC, Nathan worked at the U.S. Department of Justice in the Antitrust Division. He also clerked on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. Nathan is a 2008 graduate of Boston Universi…
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#082: Mauricio Noroña - Immigration Lawyer
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In today's episode I speak with Professor Mauricio Noroña who is a Visiting Clinical Assistant Professor of Law at the Kathryn O. Greenberg Immigration Justice Clinic at Cardozo Law School. In that role, he supervises Clinic students on individual and impact litigation matters and drives large-scale immigration policy advocacy projects. Before join…
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Let's Get Personal with Abimbola Oladokun, Lead Counsel, General Litigation at Meta
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Abimbola Oladokun is Lead Counsel of General Litigation at Meta, formerly known as Facebook. Before her in-house role at Meta, Abimbola worked at two big law firms—one in Chicago and the other in California—where she focused on white-collar investigations and complex commercial litigation. She is a 2010 graduate of the University of Chicago and a 2…
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#081: M.C. Sungaila - California Appellate Lawyer & Portia Project Podcast Host
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In today's episode I speak with M.C. Sungaila who is an Orange County-based shareholder and leader of the appellate practice at Buchalter. M.C. has briefed and argued appeals in a number of different practice areas at the California Supreme Court and throughout the country. She has won numerous awards including California Lawyer of the Year from Ca…
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Let's Get Personal with David Lat, Lawyer turned Writer and Commentator on the Legal Profession
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David Lat is a lawyer turned writer and commentator on the legal profession. David is a graduate of Harvard College (1996) and Yale Law School (1999). He clerked on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (1999-2000), worked as a litigation associate at the New York law firm of Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen, & Katz, and served as an Assistant Uni…
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#080: Paresh Patel - Appellate Federal Public Defender
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In today's episode I speak with Paresh Patel who is currently the Chief of Appeals at the Office of the Federal Defender for the District of Maryland where he has worked for the past 18 years. In this role he represents clients on post conviction matters including direct appeal and federal habeas. He also assists trial attorneys on complex legal is…
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#079: Micah Gibson - International Tax Director
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In today’s episode I speak with my dear friend Micah Gibson who is an International Tax Director at Big 4 accounting firm PWC based in Washington, D.C. In this role, Micah helps global businesses structure their tax arrangements to support their strategic goals. He joined PWC more than 8 years ago after completing his JD and LLM in Tax from Georget…
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#078: Alé Dalton - Healthcare Transactional Attorney & First Gen Lawyer
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In today’s episode I speak with Alé Dalton who is an associate at Bradley LLP’s Nashville Office. Her practice focuses on healthcare transactional work where she provides counsel during mergers and acquisitions, as well as guiding clients through issues that arise from the complex nature of operating in a highly regulated industry. She also advises…
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#077: Christine E. Webber - Plaintiffs' Class Action Employment & Civil Rights Lawyer
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In today’s episode I speak with Christine E. Webber who is a leading plaintiff-side class-action civil rights & employment attorney. Christine is a Partner and Co-Chair of the Civil Rights & Employment practice group at Cohen Milstein. In this role, she represents victims of discrimination and wage and hour violations in class and collective action…
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#076: Kobie Flowers - Civil Rights & Criminal Defense Lawyer
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In today’s episode I speak with civil rights and criminal defense lawyer Kobie Flowers, who represents the wrongly accused and the wrongly convicted. He is a Partner at Brown, Goldstein & Levy in Washington, D.C. Kobie is a trial lawyer’s trial lawyer. He started his career in the Attorney General’s Honors Program where he worked as civil rights pr…
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#075: Kirk Nahra - Experienced Privacy & Cybersecurity Lawyer
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In today’s episode I speak with experienced privacy and cybersecurity lawyer Kirk Nahra. Kirk is a Partner at WilmerHale in Washington, D.C. where he chairs the firm’s Big Data and Cybersecurity & Privacy Practices. He has been a leading authority on privacy and cybersecurity matters for more than two decades and is ranked in Band 1 by Chambers in …
In this week's episode I speak with Evan Rothstein who is an intellectual property and trade secrets attorney in Arnold & Porter’s Denver Office. Evan maintains both an active trial practice as well as providing strategic advice guiding companies on the development, protection, and enforcement of intellectual property assets. He has experience acro…
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#073: Vivek Jayaram - Lawyer for Innovators
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In this week's episode I speak with Vivek Jayaram who is an attorney, entrepreneur, and founder of Jayaram Law which has the tagline of "lawyers for innovators." Vivek and his team work with creatives, brands, venture-backed companies, and entrepreneurs on new and cutting edge projects. Specifically he advise companies, creatives, and entrepreneurs…
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#072: D. Todd Smith & Jody Sanders - Texas Appellate Lawyers & Podcast Hosts of the Texas Appellate Law Podcast
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In today’s episode I speak with not one but two Texas appellate lawyers, Jody Sanders and D. Todd Smith. You may know them as the co-hosts of the Texas Appellate Law Podcast which is a weekly podcast dedicated to demystifying the appellate process and encourage best practices in litigation and appeals. But that is just their side hustle. In his day…
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#071: Helam Gebremariam - Cravath Litigation Partner & Former DOJ Senior Counsel
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In today’s episode I speak with Helam Gebremariam who is a Litigation Partner at Cravath, Swain, & Moore in New York City where her practice focuses on antitrust litigation, contractual disputes, securities and shareholder derivative suits, and investigations. She is also deeply committed to doing pro bono work and serves as an Executive Board Memb…
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Let's Get Personal with Analy Ayala, Rising 3L at the University of Illinois College of Law
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This month, June 2022, tune in for our Student Clinic Spotlight Series! During this series, we're featuring students from law schools around the country who have participated in a variety law school clinics. Over the past two seasons of the show, many of our guests have talked about the impact that clinic work has had on their career trajectories a…
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Let's Get Personal with Francisco Maldonado Andreu, 2022 Graduate of the George Washington University Law School
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This month, June 2022, tune in for our Student Clinic Spotlight Series! During this series, we're featuring students from law schools around the country who have participated in a variety law school clinics. Over the past two seasons of the show, many of our guests have talked about the impact that clinic work has had on their career trajectories a…
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#070: Bradford Hardin - Banking & FinTech Services Lawyer
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In this episode I speak with Bradford Hardin who chairs Davis Wright Tremaine’s national banking and financial services practice where he frequently supports banks, credit unions, and innovative FinTech companies through high-risk examinations and enforcement investigations at the state and federal levels. Bradford also advises on regulatory compli…
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Let's Get Personal with Jessica Paduganan, 2022 Graduate of University of Michigan Law School
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This month, June 2022, tune in for our Student Clinic Spotlight Series! During this series, we're featuring students from law schools around the country who have participated in a variety law school clinics. Over the past two seasons of the show, many of our guests have talked about the impact that clinic work has had on their career trajectories a…
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#069: David Sparks (MacSparky) - "Country Doctor" Lawyer Turned Productivity and Consumer Technology Expert
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In this episode I speak with David Sparks who is known in internet circles as MacSparky. For more than 28 years, David was a business law attorney first at George & Shields, LLP and then more recently at his own law firm called Sparks Law based in Irvine, California. But in perhaps a first for the How I Lawyer podcast, I invited David on the show k…
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Let's Get Personal with Derick Wallace, 2022 Graduate of the George Washington University Law School
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This month, June 2022, tune in for our Student Clinic Spotlight Series! During this series, we're featuring students from law schools around the country who have participated in a variety law school clinics. Over the past two seasons of the show, many of our guests have talked about the impact that clinic work has had on their career trajectories a…
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#068: Doron J. Gold - Lawyer Turned Therapist to Lawyers (Mental Health Month Collaboration with Personal Jurisdiction Podcast)
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This month, May 2022, How I Lawyer is teaming up with the Personal Jurisdiction Podcast (https://www.personaljxpod.com/) to feature five interviews on the important topic of mental health in the legal profession. This is the final episode in this series. Thanks to the Personal Jurisdiction team for joining me in this important work. In this week's …
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A Conversation with Doron Gold, JD, MSW (Mental Health Awareness Month Episode)
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This month, May 2022, the Personal Jurisdiction and the How I Lawyer Podcasts are teaming up to feature five interviews on the important topic of mental health in the legal profession. In this week's episode, the fifth and final episode in this series, Jonah speaks with Doron Gold, a psychotherapist and former practicing lawyer (primarily in the ar…