The Church Grammar podcast engages theology and the church in a fresh way, centered on wide-ranging conversations with scholars and Bible teachers.
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Gavin Ortlund on Theological Retrieval for Evangelicals and Theological Triage (Repost)
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Gavin Ortlund of First Baptist Church of Ojai, California. We discuss how evangelicals can retrieve theology from the past (2:50), benefits and dangers of retrieval (6:05), evangelicals who “leave” to other traditions (11:01), retrieving Augustine and getting beyond modern theology debates (13:53), why theolo…
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Michael Svigel on Urban Legends in Church History
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Michael Svigel of Dallas Theological Seminary. We discuss the Lord’s Supper in the early church (2:19), philosophy’s influence on early Christian theology (6:45), where the doctrine of the Trinity came from (13:48), the role of Constantine and the Roman Empire in the church (17:45), and the Great Schism (27:3…
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Jeremy Treat on the Atonement and Pastoring in the Pandemic
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Jeremy Treat of Reality LA. We discuss the NBA (1:33), integrating the Kingdom and the cross in atonement theories (5:20), a definition the gospel (11:23), how atonement theories relate to one another (14:07), the implications of living out the gospel (20:49), pastoring in the pandemic (26:38), and more. Buy …
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Thomas Joseph White on Tough Trinity Questions
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This episode is a conversation with Fr. Thomas Joseph White, O.P. of the Angelicum. We discuss the continuity and discontinuity between Scripture and Nicaea (3:17), the relationship between ontology/theology and economy (10:30), omnipresence and incarnation (20:00), simplicity and persons (29:21), personal distinctions and eternal relations (35:56)…
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Matthew Bennett on Truths and Myths about Islam
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Matthew Bennett of Cedarville University. We discuss what we can learn from Islamic culture (3:52), the history of Muhammad and Islam origins (7:58), Jesus in the Qur’an (15:18), the role of the Bible in the Qur’an (21:00), truths and myths about jihad and violent Islamic groups (21:48), Christianity’s truth …
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Carmen Imes on Sinai, God’s Covenants, and the Biblical Story (Repost)
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This episode is repost of my conversation with Dr. Carmen Imes of Talbot School of Theology. We discuss the Institute for Biblical Research (2:05), YHWH and Sinai (3:00), God’s covenants and the Great Commission (16:43), Gentile inclusion and the “spirit” of the Law (24:58), and practical implications for bearing God’s name (34:50). Buy Carmen’s bo…
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John Meade on the Development of the Biblical Canon, Canon Lists, and Origen the Text Critic
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. John Meade of Phoenix Seminary. We discuss early biblical canon lists (1:06), the Old and New Testaments and “other writings” in the lists (7:00), the canon up to the Reformation (18:11), the unity and diversity of “authoritative” books (25:42), why we can trust our Bible (40:54), Origen the text critic (45:1…
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Gregory of Nazianzus’s “Theological Orations” with Matthew Emerson
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This is a crossover episode with Dr. Matthew Emerson from the new Center for Baptist Renewal podcast and YouTube Channel. We discuss one of the books from our CBR Theology Classics Reading Challenge, Gregory of Nazianzus’s Theological Orations. Subscribe to the CBR podcast: Apple | Spotify | YouTube Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Stan…
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Kyle Strobel on the Fall of Leaders and Learning How to Pray
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Kyle Strobel of Talbot School of Theology. We discuss the fall of leaders (2:37), a brief Jonathan Edwards troll session (7:40), what is missing in books on prayer (8:58), what we need to unlearn about prayer (12:37), true confession in prayer (22:39), unanswered prayers (29:33), reality vs. fantasy (34:12), …
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Thomas Joseph White on Tough Christology Questions and Aquinas among Protestants
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This episode is a conversation with Fr. Thomas Joseph White, O.P. of the Angelicum. We discuss his journey from Atlanta, GA to Rome (1:35), the life of a Dominican friar (5:45), basic guardrails for the doctrine of incarnation (9:50), avoiding problems of the Son “subtracting” or “adding” in the incarnation (14:17), could Christ have sinned? (19:50…
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Thomas Kidd on Evangelical History and the Founding Fathers’ Faith (Repost)
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This episode is a repost of our conversation with Dr. Thomas Kidd of Baylor University (soon-to-be Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary). We discuss becoming a scholar (2:50), the Great Awakening (9:50), the faith(?) of America's founding fathers (14:40), how to define "evangelical" (27:17), and more. Buy Tommy's books.Church Grammar is presente…
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Ephraim Radner on Figural Reading, Time and History, and Suffering
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Ephraim Radner of Wycliffe College. We discuss a figural reading of Scripture (2:20), the relationship between Scripture and time/history (9:06), examples of figural readings in church history and modern practice (12:38), how to think about figural reading in preaching and teaching (31:52), human suffering (3…
This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Today is a listener Q&A with a wide range of questions on theology, biblical interpretation, and more. Buy Madison's books.Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie Larson.Brando…
This episode is a short talk from a piece I wrote at the Center for Baptist Renewal, seeking to introduce the doctrine of eternal generation with some help from Athanasius.Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie Larson.Brandon D. Smith is Assistant Professor of Theology …
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Rhyne Putman on Theological Method and Disagreement
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Rhyne Putman of Williams Baptist College. We discuss why we disagree on theology (2:49), hermeneutical issues that create division (6:15), when we should divide (20:40), procedures for good theological method (26:35), and more. Buy Rhyne's books.Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Standard Bible. Int…
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Michael Bird on the Apostolic Fathers and Tips for Bible Reading
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Michael Bird of Ridley College. We discuss the Apostolic Fathers and early Christianity (2:28), problems in biblical interpretation (26:40), the origins of the biblical canon and its authority (29:23), tips for reading (33:30), and more. Buy Mike's books.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Chr…
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Patristics Fantasy Draft with Matthew Emerson (Repost)
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This is a repost of one of our most popular episodes. Brandon and Matt pick from a pool of 14 patristic theologians in a fantasy sports-style draft. The 14 on the board are: Augustine, Gregory of Nazianzus, Jerome, Basil of Caesarea, Hilary of Poitiers, Athanasius, Gregory of Nyssa, Origen, Irenaeus, Tertullian, John Chrysostom, John of Damascus, C…
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Trinitarian Hermeneutics and Tips for Academic Publishing with Madison Pierce
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. We discuss ways to see the Trinity in Scripture (2:21) and tips for academic publishing, job searches, etc. (29:12). Buy Madison's books.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl…
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Jen Wilkin on Hermeneutics in the Church and Raising Kids (Repost)
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This episode is a repost of my conversation with Jen Wilkin of The Village Church Institute. We discuss teaching hermeneutics in the church (2:55), theological education in the church (14:13), and tips for raising confident and secure children (24:12). Buy Jen's books.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Int…
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Adonis Vidu on the Trinity and Inseparable Operations
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Adonis Vidu of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. We discuss the basics of the doctrine of inseparable operations (IO) (1:30), the biblical basis for IO (11:12), the relationship between IO and the work of the persons (19:01), IO and the incarnation (25:43), IO and the Holy Spirit (30:37), and more. Buy Ado…
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Theological Interpretation (Part 3): Daniel Treier on Definitions, Commentaries, and Reading Recommendations
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Daniel Treier of Wheaton College. As a follow up to our conversations with Madison Pierce and Ched Spellman about TIS and the Wycliffe Colloquium, we discuss the development of TIS, theological commentaries and monographs, and books/articles to read. Buy Dan's books. Watch the Wycliffe Colloquium here.Church …
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Theological Interpretation (Part 2): Ched Spellman on Theology, Canon, and Hermeneutics
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Ched Spellman of Cedarville University. As a follow up to our conversation with Madison Pierce about TIS and the Wycliffe Colloquium, we discuss the relationship between TIS, biblical theology, and canon studies. Buy Ched's books. Watch the Wycliffe Colloquium here.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic …
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Theological Interpretation (Part 1): Madison Pierce on the Past, Present, and Future
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. We discuss her recent paper at the Wycliffe Scripture and Theology Colloquium and consider the past, present, and future of TIS. Buy Madison's books. Watch the Wycliffe Colloquium here.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard…
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Athanasius’s “On the Incarnation” with Luke Stamps
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This is a crossover episode with Dr. Luke Stamps from the new Center for Baptist Renewal podcast and YouTube Channel. We discuss the first book in the CBR Theology Classics Reading Challenge, Athanasius's On the Incarnation.Subscribe to the CBR podcast: Apple | Spotify | YouTubeChurch Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard …
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J.R. Gilhooly on Angels, Demons, and Spiritual Warfare
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. J.R. Gilhooly of Cedarville University. We discuss the nature of angels (2:12), depictions of angels in the Bible and art (6:05), the "angel of the Lord" (20:13), the "fall" of Satan and the angels (32:28), the power and abilities of Satan and his demons (40:54), and more. Buy J.R.'s books.Church Grammar is p…
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Madison Pierce on Jesus’s Humanity, Atonement, and March Madness Predictions
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. We discuss student and listener critiques (2:49), the relationship between Christ's work and the atonement (5:26), in what sense(s) Jesus was human (29:24), March Madness predictions (50:01), and more. Buy Madison's books.Church Grammar is presented by B&…
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Fred Sanders on the Holy Spirit, the Trinity in Salvation, and Retrieval
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Fred Sanders of Biola University. We discuss the names for the Holy Spirit in Scripture (2:16), the seeming "silence" of the Spirit in major moments in the biblical narrative (5:17), the Spirit in the OT (15:40), the Trinity in salvation (20:34), theological retrieval (24:30), the Trinity and theological educ…
This episode is a short talk from a piece I wrote at the Center for Baptist Renewal by the same name, seeking to navigate the tricky issues surrounding the Spirit's role in Jesus's ministry.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie Larson.Brandon D. Smith …
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Matthew Levering on Catholic Theology, the Reformation, and Catholic-Protestant Relations
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Matthew Levering of Mundelein Seminary. We discuss becoming a Christian and his path to Catholicism (4:40), major doctrines Catholics and Protestants agree on (14:22), what Catholics believe about justification by faith (15:50), the veneration of Mary (22:13), and the role and authority of the Pope (40:15), t…
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Irenaeus’s “On the Apostolic Demonstration” with Matthew Emerson
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This is a crossover episode with Dr. Matthew Emerson from the new Center for Baptist Renewal podcast and YouTube Channel. We discuss the first book in the CBR Theology Classics Reading Challenge, Irenaeus's On the Apostolic Demonstration (or Preaching).Subscribe to the CBR podcast: Apple | Spotify | YouTubeChurch Grammar is presented by B&H Academi…
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Kevin Vanhoozer on Theological Interpretation and Theology for the Church (Repost)
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This episode is a repost of our conversation with Dr. Kevin Vanhoozer. We discuss becoming a scholar (2:25), the rise of theological interpretation of Scripture (TIS) in evangelicalism (11:15), the good and bad of TIS (15:11), guardrails for doing TIS (17:39), doctrines Protestants should agree on (19:40), the relationship between the academy and c…
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Madison Pierce on Hermeneutics, Star Wars, and Other Topics
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. She begins her new role as a recurring guest talking about action films (3:40), hermeneutics and theological method (7:10), other topics we would like to research (31:30), a slow round on weird experiences while teaching (36:40), ranking Star Wars (43:10)…
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Andrew Abernethy and Joshua Jipp on Messianic Theology
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Andrew Abernethy (Wheaton College) and Dr. Joshua Jipp (Trinity Evangelical Divinity School). We discuss the Messiah in the OT and NT in general (4:00), divine and human expectations for the Messiah (16:30), modeling the NT authors' hermeneutics (51:00), and more. Buy Andy's and Josh's books.Church Grammar is…
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Thomas Schreiner on Bible Translations and Being a Translator
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Thomas Schreiner of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He returns to discuss the major revision of the HCSB to the CSB (5:55), how translators work through "formal" and "dynamic" renderings (10:28), how a translator tries to keep his/her presuppositions out of translation (26:10), what pastors should …
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Madison Pierce on New Testament Theology and 100 Other Topics
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. She returns to discuss first jobs (3:20), a "slow round" on books that shaped our scholarship, missing Texas, and favorite movies (12:00), Madison's ETS paper on the Trinity in Hebrews (25:55), interpreting Revelation (33:40), a second "slow round" on wha…
This episode is a short talk based on my recent piece over at Mere Orthodoxy, "In Defense of Premodern Exegesis," where I lay out the fundamentals of premodern exegesis and how evangelicals can employ their method.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie …
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Richard Bauckham on Christology and Jesus’s Eyewitnesses (Repost)
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This episode is a repost of our conversation with Dr. Richard Bauckham. We discuss becoming a scholar (2:04), early Christology (7:50), the theology of the Book of Revelation (15:10), the testimony of Jesus's eyewitnesses (24:37), the city of Magdala (37:15), poetry (46:26), and more. Buy Richard's books.Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic …
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Steven Duby on Divine Simplicity, Christology, and Theological Knowledge
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Steven Duby of Grand Canyon University. We discuss divine simplicity (2:28), Trinitarian analogies and metaphors (9:34), Christology's place in theology proper (17:45), and Thomas Aquinas on theological knowledge (27:35).Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music…
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Patrick Schreiner on the Ascension and the Theology of Acts
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Dr. Patrick Schreiner of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary returns to discuss the NBA (2:56), the importance of the ascension (7:41), and the theology of Acts (30:50).Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie Larson.Brandon D. Smith is Assistant Professor of Theology…
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Christopher Wright on the Trinity in the Old Testament and the Creation Mandate
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Christopher Wright of the Langham Partnership. We discuss becoming a Christian and scholar (1:40), Christ-centered hermeneutics (8:29), the Holy Spirit in the OT and NT (18:22), the mission of God and the creation mandate (21:20). Our sincere apologies for the poor audio in portions of this episode.Church Gra…
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Madison Pierce on the Trinity in Hebrews and Evangelical Disagreements
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Madison Pierce of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. We discuss divine discourse in the Book of Hebrews (1:50), the hypostatic union (17:17), the authorship and authorial intent of Hebrews (25:00), female evangelical scholarship and getting along with those with whom we disagree (32:50).Church Grammar is pr…
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Election Year (Part 2): Matthew Arbo Repost
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As the 2020 election approaches, we will be posting two conversations on culture, politics, and ethics. Part 1 was a conversation with Alan Noble and Part 2 is a conversation with Matthew Arbo.This episode is a conversation with Dr. Matthew Arbo of Oklahoma Baptist University. We discuss the definition of Christian ethics (2:00), good and bad versi…
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Election Year (Part 1): Alan Noble Repost
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As the 2020 election approaches, we will be posting two conversations on culture, politics, and ethics. Part 1 is a conversation with Alan Noble and Part 2 is a conversation with Matthew Arbo.This episode is a conversation with Dr. Alan Noble of Oklahoma Baptist University. We discuss basketball fandom (3:45), the weirdness of the Shawnee, OK mall …
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Joshua McNall on the Atonement and Pastoral Theology
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Joshua McNall of Oklahoma Wesleyan University. We discuss the depth of the Bible's portrait of the atonement (1:40), the different aspects of the atonement (6:30), and pastoral theology (36:07).Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigd…
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Jen Wilkin on Teaching Hermeneutics and Parenting
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This episode is a conversation with Jen Wilkin of The Village Church Institute. We discuss teaching hermeneutics in the church (2:55), theological education in the church (14:13), and tips for raising confident and secure children (24:12).Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by n…
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Patristics Fantasy Draft with Matthew Emerson
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Brandon and Matthew Emerson of Oklahoma Baptist University pick from a pool of 14 patristic theologians in a fantasy sports-style draft. The 14 on the board are: Augustine, Gregory of Nazianzus, Jerome, Basil of Caesarea, Hilary of Poitiers, Athanasius, Gregory of Nyssa, Origen, Irenaeus, Tertullian, John Chrysostom, John of Damascus, Cyril of Alex…
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Kyle Strobel on Jean Vanier, Contemplation, and Spiritual Formation
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Kyle Strobel of Talbot School of Theology. We discuss Jean Vanier and the fall of leaders (2:44), defining and practicing contemplation (10:19), the Puritans on spiritual formation (20:56), and a theology of spiritual discipline (28:44).Church Grammar is presented by B&H Academic and the Christian Standard Bi…
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Carmen Imes on Sinai, God’s Name, and the Great Commission
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Carmen Imes of Prairie College. We discuss the Institute for Biblical Research (2:05), YHWH and Sinai (3:00), God's covenants and the Great Commission (16:43), Gentile inclusion and the "spirit" of the Law (24:58), and practical implications for bearing God's name (34:50). Buy Carmen's books.Church Grammar is…
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Anniversary Episode: Thomas Schreiner Repost
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Today, we are celebrating Church Grammar's first year with a repost of our very first episode with Dr. Thomas Schreiner of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. We discuss parenting (3:50), becoming a scholar (6:30), the development of Pauline scholarship over the past 30 years (8:30), favorite books on Revelation (29:40), what complementarian…
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Gavin Ortlund on Theological Triage and Retrieval
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This episode is a conversation with Dr. Gavin Ortlund of First Baptist Church of Ojai, California. We discuss how evangelicals can retrieve theology from the past (2:50), benefits and dangers of retrieval (6:05), evangelicals who "leave" to other traditions (11:01), retrieving Augustine and getting beyond modern theology debates (13:53), why theolo…