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The Business Side of Music is an interview show designed to help independent artists and songwriters better understand and navigate the music industry. 45-year industry veteran, Bob Bender talks to successful guests from every corner of the industry about their careers to discover the things they did right as well as the lessons they learned from any mistakes they made. businesssideofmusic.com
All of us have our favorite band or artist we love to listen to. Most of us can’t even begin to imagine what it would be like to actually meet their idol, let alone hang out with them. David Stark did just that… and more. Author of the book “It’s All Too Much”, David describes what it was like growing up in North London in the 1960’s as a dedicated…
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#215 - Sometimes Yes Means No, and No Means Yes
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Australian Award winning Producer/writer Michael Flanders & co-founder of Pacific International music publishing moved to the USA in Feb 07 to head up Pacific International Music, during this period has built a healthy publishing catalog of over 1100 songs & having administration on 12 other existing catalogs with high profile names attached. His p…
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#214 - From Jingle Singer To The Voice... Becoming The Entrepeneur
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If you’re a fan of the NBC television Series “The Voice, then you might remember Dan Shafer from Season 11, when he was on “Team Blake”. But Dan’s career goes deeper than that. In addition to "The Voice", Dan has sung on some of the most iconic National Television Commercials of all time to include, "Transformers" (Robots in Disguise), Aliens 3 (Th…
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#213 - The Power of TV and Creating Celebrity Brands
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We all have an idea on what it takes to get the music process from creation to consumption. The path taken has changed dramatically and historically over the past 20 years or so. At the same time, the one thing that has remained constant is that people love to create, and people love to listen. With all the new technology and ways to distribute mus…
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#211 - Breaking Artists Who Don't Fit Pre-Existing Formats
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In today’s music scene, the independent artist is King (or Queen). No longer tied to having a record deal in order to be successful, the Indie Artist also doesn't fit the normal mold for pre-existing formats. You need someone who can help when the creative decisions become business decisions, and vice versa. This is where Talya Elitzer and her comp…
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#210 - Reducing The Risk of the Music Biz
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Getting into the music business is not easy. It’s competitive, crowded, and the success of making it a career can be challenging on a good day. Factor in those players who say they can “guarantee” you that success for a fee, and all of a sudden things get really complicated… and potentially expensive without much to show for all of your hard work. …
On this episode, Danny Zelisko shares with us his forty years in the music business, producing over 34,000 shows in that time. He talks about what it was like to get started in the business as a stagehand (including being a security guard on Alice Cooper shows), what it was like to work with concert and tour producer legend Bill Graham, and how he …
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#208 - The 2022 NAMM Show - More To Start Playing Fewer To Quit Playing
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If you’re a musician of any caliber that’s been around for more than a few years, then you know what the annual NAMM Show is. NAMM which is the acronym for the National Association of Music Merchants, which was founded in 1901. Each year the NAMM Show hosts literally the largest display of musical instruments, professional sound reinforcement equip…
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#207 - The Meteoric Rise of Catalog Sales
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The business of music catalog acquisition has become a hot topic of discussion lately. With the sales of such song catalogs once belonging to Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks, Fleetwood Mac, Dire Straits, Shakira, John Lennon, Ryan Tedder, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, 50 Cent, Nelly, and many more, it's become a sellers paradise. But why? We ta…
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#206 - Managing Yourself Before You Have a Manager
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On this episode, we talk with Dave Philp and Steve Marcone with regards to their book “Managing Your Band: A Guide to Artist Management”. This book is considered the go-to guide for artist management in the new music industry, especially independent artists taking the DIY route. Industry insiders Steve and Dave tackle the work and knowledge require…
As a songwriter, you have to be a student of your genre. Whether it be Rock, Pop, Hip Hop, or Country. You have to learn to keep your eyes on your own paper as you create this body of work, and be fearless in doing so. At the same time, there are so many questions when it comes to not only writing songs, but what to do with your creation afterwards…
On the show with us today is Dave Ratner, the lead lawyer at Creative Law Network, a boutique entertainment law firm in Denver Colorado. We talk about what the difference is between an entertainment lawyer and a regular business attorney, along with navigating the waters when it comes such contracts as a record deal, a publishing deal, how copyrigh…
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#203 - Creating An Artist First Financial Ecosystem
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Milana Rabkin Lewis is Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder of Stem, the leading distribution, payment, and financing solution built to simplify the process of releasing music in today’s industry and designed to empower artists & their teams to run their business truly independently. Backed by industry-leading investors including Upfront Ventures…
How do you go about conquering stage fright? Do you know the best way to handle a heckler from the audience? Do you have an idea of what your single most important element of your music performance is? How do you go about reading an audience if you see that you’re “losing them”. Singer, Songwriter, and author of the book “Performance Matters” John …
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#201 - The Music Stand That Can Withstand The Test
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Did you know that the portable, cheap, flimsy, music stand we all recognized in school growing up was patented in 1900, then modified in the 1950s – and hasn’t really changed much since. Every musician has a story. Stands that didn’t assemble easily (or collapsed in the middle of a performance), not to mention the struggle to fold them back up… Ser…
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#200 - Turning Life’s Lessons Into Songs of Passion
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In one of our most powerful, intimate, and deeply thought provoking interviews we’ve ever had on this our 200th episode, we spend time back in the studio with the legendary lyrical illustrator and hit songwriter Jack Williams. Adopted, and raised as a single child, Williams talks of his childhood, which included a physically abusive relationship wi…
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#199 - Tapping Into Your Creative and Musical Self
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You’ve written that first song, and you’re ready to record, but where do you start? Should you release a single, or does it make sense to release an entire album. Being a newbie in the music business is tough enough, but how do you tap into your creative and musical self, and determine where to go next? Connor Frost to the rescue. Connor is a Music…
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#198 - From Broadway, to Broadway, and Television Too
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What happens when you mix together a Jazz musician, Bluegrass performer, and songwriter / performer for a major television show? While you’re at it, throw in spending time on the boards of Broadway (NYC), Lower Broadway (Nashville), along with being on the road with one of the Rock N’ Roll industry’s legends, and you get singer, songwriter, multi-i…
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#197 - From Bluegrass to the Doobie Brothers - The Journey of John Cowan
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John Cowan, also known as the Voice of Newgrass, has been singing his heart out for thirty-seven years now, and his soaring vocals have only improved with time. His rise to fame began in 1974, when he auditioned to play bass for the then up and coming “New Grass Revival. Fellow members Sam Bush, Courtney Johnson, Curtis Burch, and later on Bela Fle…
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#196 - Look Good, Sound Good, Be Good - “Hooks: Lessons on Performance, Business, and Life from a Working Musician”
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On the show today, we have Matt Wilson, about his new book “Hooks: Lessons on Performance, Business, and Life from a Working Musician”. In the book, Matt shares eighty life lessons from decades of experience as a performing musician and business owner. In 2021, Matt released his first book, Hooks: Lessons on Performance, Business, and Life from a W…
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#195 - Leading The Way with Korg Musical Instruments
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As we wind down the year, we have a conversation with one of our major sponsors for the show. James Sajeva is the Senior Brand Manager - Music Technology Products for Korg Musical Instruments. We discuss the technology of the Korg keyboards, including their latest one, the Korg Nautilus which we have in our studio. We also talk about the history of…
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#194 - Having the Right Blueprint For Your Music Career
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Whether you're just getting started in your career, or you're already down a path and don't know exactly what your next step is, then maybe it's time to read the book "The Blueprint: The Bible for Becoming a Successful Performing Artist in the Digital Age." Author Frank Demilt joins us to share his vision and journey of writing this book, from his …
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#193 - Learning The In's and Out's of Radio Programming... and More!
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RJ Curtis, former past president of Country Radio Seminar (CRS) joins us in the studio. After being forced to take a year off due to the pandemic and having to go virtual, the Country Radio Broadcasters Association announces the return of in-person CRS which will be held on Feb. 23-25, 2022. RJ talks about what potential attendees should know about…
Tis' the Christmas season, and it's time for Tom Sabella, the founder, and executive producer, along with Bob Bende, the host of the show, to finally get together in the studio and reflect on this past year. As we're coming up to our 200th episode early in 2022, we also talk about how the show started, what it was like for Bob to take over in 2017,…
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#191 - Getting Fans to (Financially) Invest In Your Dream
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Being a creative person isn't easy, especially if you're trying to do this the whole time. It's not your regular 9 to 5 job. This is your life. Your passion. Your ongoing creation. And it most often takes money to advance your dreams to the next level, especially if you decide to take the independent route and not seek out the traditional record de…
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#190 - Metal Music Meets Modern Technology
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Byron Nemeth, a multi-instrumentalist and demanding rock specialist who has done tours and taken part in many stellar releases to date, knew at a young age that music was his true calling. Upon hearing Elvis & The Beatles from his beautiful parents as a birthday music gift, he turned his attention to learning guitar and studying the styles of Randy…
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#189 - Taking Your Fans From Suspect To Super Fan
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Here’s a question for you. Will the person who you think is your fan, actually like your music. Are they willing to put the time and effort into becoming a fan of your career? How devoted and passionate of a fan are they? How do you go about getting them engaged in your career? How do you go about creating new fans, who will also become devoted fol…
You’ve spent time writing songs. You’ve gone into the studio to record some demos. Now it’s time to get out there and pitch your artistry to the masses. But how do you go about doing it? Do you need a manager to help you thru the gauntlet known as the music industry? Is your career at a point where you would be ready for a manager? We talk with Chu…
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#187 - A Platform That Provides the Data You Need To Succeed
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What IMDB has done for the movie industry is what Vibrate is doing for the music business. How popular are you as an artist? Are your followers a good reflection on your success, or even your visibility? Is your album or touring success an accurate barometer of where your career is at? Vibrate helps with the analytics of it all. It provides the dat…
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#186 - Your Net Worth is Related to Your Network
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The music industry is this huge, and very wide set of different vertical spaces. These consist of performers, composers, freelance musicians, music educators, and folks in production. But all of these various entities are all one thing, and that's all part of the music business. Even if you’re an employee, you’re still directly involved. The 2nd an…
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#185 - Being an Innovative Entrepreneur, Funding Your Project, and Building Your Fan Base
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Recording artist Karen Waldrup and record producer Paul Worley join us in the studio on this episode. Karen discusses what it takes to release her new music, with Paul at the helm, producing the project. Karen and Paul share how she’s funding her new project, through in a new and innovative way called Music Benefactors, an SEC registered investment…
Vincent James along with his wife Joann are on a mission to help more children (and adults) reap the educational, therapeutic and social benefits of playing music. They founded the national non-profit Keep Music Alive and two international music holidays: Teach Music Week (March) & Kids Music Day (October) and now partner with 1,000+ music schools …
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#183 - Do Crowdfunding Platforms Actually Work for the Independent Artist?
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Can crowdfunding be a viable source for the indie music artist to assist in paying for the project, or cover such things as the cost of getting out on the road touring? Not all crowdfunding platforms are created equal and Carl Allocco, along with Nicole Hogland from MCRCrowdfund explain to us that with their curated approach, their company is tailo…
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#182 - The Music Business is a 10 Part Process
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The music business is a 10 part process. 9/10th of it is exposing what you have, the 1/10th is the actual product, and that is probably the most important part. But in order for that to be the most important part, you have to find, expose, and promote to that audience. Keep in mind that so much of it today is an “instant gratification” business. An…
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#181 - Putting Your Music Into a Vault for Safekeeping
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On June 1st, 2008, a fire broke out on the backlot of Universal Studios in Hollywood, CA, destroying nearly 175,000 audio master tapes belonging to some of the most well-known artists worldwide, including Peter Frampton, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Elton John, Les Paul, and thousands of others lost forever. John Kohl, the CEO, and co-founder of TuneGO, is o…
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#180 - How Do You Know That You’re In The Flow State?
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How Do You Know That You’re In The Flow State? Do you find yourself playing something on your instrument without putting any thought or consciousness into the process? Does it just happen freely without any effort? What makes such people as Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and companies like Uber and DropBox become successful in the t…
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#179 - It’s No Longer The Wild West on YouTube, So Protect Your Content
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What if you discovered that someone other than yourself was making money off of our creative content? What if a big brand was using your music as part of a marketing campaign without your knowledge? What could you do about it? You can't have value to your copyright if you don’t assign value to it. Technically, all things online are governed by the …
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#178 - Rarified Air - My Life as a Byrd, and a Flying Burrito Brother
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As a co-founder of The Byrds and The Flying Burrito Brothers, Chris Hillman is arguably the primary architect of what’s come to be known as country-rock. Chris Hillman is much more than a rock star. He is truly a founding father of American music and a man who has faced the challenges of life to discover what really matters. He was the original bas…
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#177 - Every Visual Needs Music Interview with Chris Bragg
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"I am beyond grateful for the growth we’ve experienced since Ghostwriter was founded in 2015,” says Founder and CEO Chris Bragg. Founded in 2015, Ghostwriter Music has placed music in many of the most anticipated film campaigns, advertisements, video games, and TV promos in modern media. Honored with a 2019 Music + Sound Association (MASA) Award fo…
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#176 - Check It and Wreck It - Creating a Solution To Traveling With a Guitar
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Have you ever traveled by plane from one gig to the next, only to arrive and find that the integrity of your guitar has been compromised… or worse, has been destroyed, only to find out that the airline you just flew on won’t be taking responsibility for any damages. Ciari Guitars has created a solution. Creating what has been called “The Most Conve…
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#175 - Blending Music and the Gaming Industry
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Maisly is an international singer/ songwriter, currently residing in London, who in her early 20’s made a huge splash with her debut single “All About Us,” released under the previous name “Marta” that reached #1 in Germany and #4 in Norway on the Google Play Country Music charts in the first week. Her music video for “All About Us’ has received ov…
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#174 - Look at Your Recording Stems as a Revenue Stream
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Do you look at your stems when recording in the studio as a revenue stream, or just layers of your song as a whole? Audioshake has created the AI technology, which is designed to help the rightsholder to the music to be able to create professional stems without having to go back into the studio. This is perfect for the artist looking to create not …
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#173 - Don't Advertise Your Career Too Much on Rented Space
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Despite the past year being an upsetting time for the music industry, it’s still provided a prime opportunity to accomplish a few things in your career. But are you, as an artist doing the right things? Do you have a professional-looking website? Something that you can take ownership of? How established is your email list? Are you using it to conta…
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#172 - You Don't Know What You Don't Know
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Are you taking full responsibility for your career? Are you your biggest detractor from being successful? Rejection is tough to take. Not only that, the music business is a very competitive field to work in. There are ways to handle it, though. It knows how to handle that inner critic, those voices inside your head. It all starts with building your…
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#171 - Interview with Jeff Coffey-Music Can Be The Great Unifier
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Interview with Jeff Coffey is a musician, singer, songwriter who has released 4 solo albums that have been well received by radio and music fans. His songs are very relatable and bridge the gap between Pop, Rock, and Country. Two singles from his CD "Through Your Eyes" and "Long Way Home" made it to the Top 20 on the FMQB AC/40 Chart. Much of Jeff'…
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#170 - Two Steps Forward, One Step Back - The Story of Miles Copeland
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Meet Miles Copeland. He grew up living worldwide, in such places as London, Washington, DC, and throughout the Middle East, particularly Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon. At an early age, Copeland and his brothers were fluent in Arabic. In 1978, Copeland became manager of his brother Stewart's band, The Police. Copeland shepherded t…
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#169 - The Magic Years - Scenes From A Rock And Roll Life
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In this episode, we chat with Jonathan Taplin regarding his career working with Bob Dylan, along with The Band (Dylan’s back-up band, along with their solo career), his time with George Harrison putting together the legendary Concert For Bangladesh, what it was like to be a part of Woodstock (yes, he was actually there), and how he and Martin Scors…
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#168 - It's Time To Upgrade to Social Media Version 2.0
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Having All The Pieces of the Puzzle is what makes us successful in the music business. But you don’t know what you don’t know. It takes years of experience, contacts, and resources to get ahead of the game. On top of that, in today’s Current Music Climate, We need to be current in Social Media Version 2.0 to rise above the rest of the noise out the…
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#167 - There’s Always More Reasons to Move Forwards Than There Are To Move Backwards
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In today’s episode, we have DC Glenn from the multi-platinum hip hop group “Tag Team.” Their music has been featured on everything from having a #2 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 Charts (for seven weeks straight) with "Whoomp! (There It Is)", Their music featured in such films as Elf, Shark Tale, Beverly Hills Chihuahua, and D2: The Mighty Ducks. Aft…
