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LawNext is a weekly podcast hosted by Bob Ambrogi, who is internationally known for his writing and speaking on legal technology and innovation. Each week, Bob interviews the innovators and entrepreneurs who are driving what’s next in the legal industry. From legal technology startups to new law firm business models to enhancing access to justice, Bob and his guests explore the future of law and legal practice.
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Technically Legal is a podcast about legal tech, legal innovation and the impact of tech on the law and legal industry. In each episode we interview an innovator in the legal industry. Guests discuss how technology is changing the practice of law and how they are implementing legal technology and innovation into their legal departments and law firms. The podcast is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and founder of Percipient, a tech-enabled legal services provider. Chad launched Percipient on ...
Welcome to Reimagining Justice - a global podcast for the change makers in law and the first Australian-based podcast shining a light on issues at the intersection of law, social justice and innovation. Join Andrea Perry-Petersen, an Australian lawyer and social justice advocate, as she interviews guests from around the world who have discovered and implemented innovative ways to update the legal profession while improving people’s experience of the law. Andrea brings a unique perspective on ...
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Ep 167: Thine Founder Sang Lee on How Algorithm-based Assessments Help Law Firms Make Better and Less-Biased Hiring Decisions
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Sang Lee believes that algorithm-based assessments can help law firms make better, more ethical and less-biased decisions when hiring associates and laterals. The SaaS company she founded in 2019, Thine, leverages custom hiring algorithms and industrial and organizational (IO) psychology to create assessments that it says can reduce inconsistencies…
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The art of the possible, the doable and the sustainable with Brian W Tang
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In episode no. 81 my guest is Brian Tang, Founding Executive director of LITE Lab@HKU and Co-chair, Asia-Pacific Legal Innovation & Technology Association (ALITA). We discuss: Career path (which will be interesting to law students); How he became involved with innovation in the law in Hong Kong; Main justice issues in Hong Kong; What LITE stands fo…
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The Impact of Blockchain on the Law – Now and Beyond (Jacob Robinson, Law of Code)
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Blockchain lawyer and fellow podcaster Jacob Robinson visits Technically Legal to talk about how blockchain is impacting the law now and how it will in the future. Jacob hosts the Law of Code Podcast covering blockchain related legal issues and hosting a Who’s Who of #Cryptolaw as guests. On this episode, Jacob discusses the interplay between block…
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Ep 166 - LawVu CEO Sam Kidd Explains Why He Believes His Company Is Revolutionizing Corporate Legal Operations
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LawVu is a New Zealand company that says it is revolutionizing legal operations by waging war on a multiplicity of point solutions and providing in-house legal teams with the first truly connected platform for matter, contract and spend management. LawVu recently conducted a survey of in-house lawyers and legal operations professionals and found th…
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Ep 165: Litify COO Ari Treuhaft on Why the Practice Management Company Considers Itself A Unique Category of Legal Tech
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The law practice management platform Litify is unique in several ways. For one, it is built on top of Salesforce, the sales and marketing automation platform used by many Fortune 500 companies. For another, it was developed by a team of people who came out of Morgan & Morgan, the largest plaintiffs’ law firm in the United States. Since its launch i…
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How multidisciplinary teams lead to better client outcomes
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In episode no. 80 I discuss multidisciplinary teamwork in the context of law firms and legal tech start-ups developing products, services and projects. I cover: An explanation of multidisciplinary collaboration and teamwork (and what it’s not); Effective and real-life examples in both a commercial and not-for-profit context; and Tips for making the…
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Krystal Kovac (GC Oncore) on Building a Legal Function by Fostering Relationships and Using Accessible Tech
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Krystal Kovac, Head of Legal & Compliance at Oncore, visits Technically Legal to share her story about building a legal department from the ground up. Like many, Krystal decided to become a lawyer without a good understanding of all that entails. Also, like many, she didn’t like her first legal job that much, and when it ended, she went to Canada a…
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Ep 164: As LawPay Acquires MyCase, Our Exclusive LawNext Interview with the Two CEOs
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As this episode is being released, news is breaking that is likely to have a profound impact on the law practice management market: AffiniPay, the parent company of the electronic payments platform LawPay, has acquired the law practice management company MyCase, along with several other practice management products that MyCase acquired over the pas…
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Purposeful design: creating a better user experience for citizens
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In episode no. 79, guests Simon Goodrich, Co-founder and Luke Thomas, senior legal designer, Portable cover: Portable’s work and its founders’ motivation to do the work it does; Simon’s journey from community radio and running a film festival to his current work; What prompted Portable’s foray into justice issues and how design and technology can l…
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How to Connect Real World Contracts to Blockchain Technology (Aaron Powers, CEO Hunit)
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Aaron Powers, CEO and co-founder of Hunit, talks SLCs or, Smart Legal Contracts, that are natural language contracts but utilize blockchain technology to record certain aspects of contractual relationships. Hunit enables users to create text based contracts in Microsoft Word, but tie the document to a blockchain creating an immutable record of cert…
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Ep 163: Notarize Founder and CEO Pat Kinsel on Disrupting A Centuries-Old Process
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If ever there was a process ripe for disruption, notarization would seem to be it. A function that may date back to Ancient Egypt, it has changed little for centuries – still typically done in person, on hard-copy paper, using physical seals, and recorded in written ledgers. Pat Kinsel, founder and CEO of Notarize, believes society has grappled for…
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Ep 162: Is the End in Sight for State Limits on Law Practice?
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Lawyers are largely limited to practicing law in the states in which they are licensed. But now, calling that rule anachronistic, the Association of Professional Responsibility Lawyers has asked the American Bar Association to amend the model rules that govern law practice to allow lawyers admitted in any U.S. jurisdiction to practice law and provi…
In episode no. 78, Andrea explores all things document automation. She covers: What is document automation; Use cases in the commercial and not-for-profit context; Factors to consider when embarking on a document automation project; What kinds of documents to automate; and How to overcome barriers to adoption of technology. Proudly sponsored by Neo…
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Slack’s Cyndi Wheeler & Mark Pike on Automating Legal Workflows And (Not) Using Email (2020)
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Do you want to spend less time dealing with email? Are you interested in automating repetitive work tasks? Cyndi Wheeler and Mark Pike offer some tips on how to do just that in this episode from 2020. Cyndi and Mark are both in-house lawyers at collaboration software company Slack. Cyndi and Mark discuss how they moved almost all of their communica…
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Ep 161: Carl Malamud on His Three-Plus Decades of Working to Free the Law
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No one has worked harder, worked longer or had more success at the cause of making government information accessible to the public than Carl Malamud and his organization Public.Resource.Org. From putting the SEC’s EDGAR database online in 1993 – effectively shaming the SEC into putting it online itself two years later – to his 2020 U.S. Supreme Cou…
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Leaving BigLaw for legal engineering: why and how?
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In episode no. 75 I speak with Catherine Bamford, CEO & Founder of BamLegal. We cover: BamLegal’s clients and services; The UK legal industry’s adoption of document automation; How Catherine addresses some common objections to legal technology; The relevance of time billing and fixed fee in this context; How legal technology intersects with ‘real l…
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Using AI to Match Clients with the Right Personal Injury Attorney (Victor Bornstein, CEO Justpoint)
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Victor Bornstein tells us how Justpoint, the company he co-founded and now heads, is taking advantage of changes to Rules of Professional Conduct to build artificial intelligence that matches personal injury clients to the best attorney for their case. Specifically, the company is taking advantage of changes to Rule 5.4 in Arizona that now permits …
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Ep 160: Filevine CEO Ryan Anderson on His Company’s $108M Raise and the Future of Practice Management
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Last week, Filevine, the Utah-based case management company, raised $108 million in a Series D funding round. Founded in 2014 with an original focus on litigation and personal injury law, the company has been steadily expanding its platform into other areas of law practice — including larger firms, insurance defense, corporate legal, and government…
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How actress America Ferrera helps us to understand why we don’t innovate more
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In episode no. 76 I share my comments from an International Women’s Day event in Brisbane in early March, hosted by 9 University of Queensland and Queensland University of Technology clubs. I share what breaking the bias means to me and how I apply it in practice, and a particular bias each of us possess and need to be aware of if we are to innovat…
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Ep 159: Pro Bono Net Cofounder Mark O’Brien on Technology As A ‘Force Multiplier’ For Meeting Legal Needs
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For 23 years, Pro Bono Net has been working to harness the potential of technology to connect pro bono attorneys to those most in need of their services and to provide legal tools to help individuals advocate for themselves. In 2021 alone, the non-profit helped more than 8.4 million people connect to a legal resource and helped self-represented ind…
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How to Build a SaaS Company for Legal (Andy Wilson, CEO Logikcull)
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Right out of college with a computer science degree in hand, a buddy helped Andy Wilson (now CEO of SaaS based e-discovery software company Logikcull) get a job at a printing company because Andy’s friend said there was a technology component to the job. It was the early 2000s and what the printing company was actually doing was printing out email …
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How fiction helps us envision a more just future
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In episode no. 75 I speak with Jason Tashea, Consultant with the World Bank and Innovation Fellow at Vanderbilt University. We discuss: Jason’s motivation for his new project, ‘40 Futures’; the fine line between dystopian fiction and reality; Jason’s writing process and the ‘rules’ he set for himself in developing the project; ’40 Futures’ topics i…
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Ep 158: Jonathan Pyle on Why He Developed Docassemble and Made It Open Source
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In his day job, Jonathan Pyle is the contract performance officer at Philadelphia Legal Assistance, where he is responsible for compliance, reporting, and implementing new uses of technology to analyze, streamline, and expand service delivery. But in the legal tech world, Pyle is better known as the developer of Docassemble, a free and open source …
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How a Legal Evolution Can Save PeopleLaw – Professor William Henderson (Indiana University School of Law)
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“You’re marrying a firefighter. That’s all I’ll ever be. I’m never going to finish college.” That’s what Bill Henderson told his soon to be wife many years ago, but thankfully that was not true. Fast forward to today and Bill is now Professor William Henderson, the Stephen F. Burns Chair on the Legal Profession at Indiana University and he has been…
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Ep 157: How to Start Your Own Law Firm and Have the Practice You Always Wanted, with Carolyn Elefant
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She has been called the patron saint of solo and small law firms. For two decades, Carolyn Elefant has helped solo and small firm lawyers start and build their law practices. You know her as the creator of MyShingle.com, the longest-running blog on solo and small law firm practice, and she just released the third edition of her book that is a bible…
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Ep 156: How Legal Departments Can Use Data to Drive Smarter Decision-Making, with Jeffrey Solomon of Wolters Kluwer
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As head of managed services and analytics at Wolters Kluwer ELM Solutions, Jeffrey Solomon oversees a database that tracks over $150 billion in legal spend data. Legal departments are able to use this data in multiple ways, including to benchmark outside firms’ billing rates and to evaluate staffing of legal matters. In this episode of LawNext, Sol…
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Online dispute resolution: If not now, when?
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In episode no. 74, I continue the conversation about technology in courts from episode 73 with Dr Anne Wallace and discuss online dispute resolution “ODR”. I cover: How ODR is defined; 6 key characteristics of ODR; Advantages and disadvantages of ODR; International and Australian examples of ODR; The different forms of technology used in ODR; The v…
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Fisher Broyles: From 5 Attorneys to AmLaw 200 and Doing it all Remotely (James Fisher & Kevin Broyles)
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SCENE: Afternoon. Early 2000s. Because the first internet bubble is popping, two tech lawyers find themselves with not much to do so they go to a matinee showing of Black Hawk Down. Those two attorneys are James Fisher and Kevin Broyles. That particular afternoon was not the only slow one for them. Work for them had dried up and colleagues at their…
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Courts during COVID: Will Digital Innovation Stick?
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In episode no. 73 my special guest is Dr Anne Wallace, Adjunct Professor La Trobe University and Deputy Director Sir Zelman Cowen Centre. We discuss: what first prompted Anne’s interest in technology and court processes; court innovations from the 1990’s and how those initiatives have progressed; how courts and lawyers have adapted to the pandemic;…
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Code is Law? Blockchain Technology and the Future of Antitrust Law (Thibault Schrepel of Codex and Free University of Amsterdam)
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Thibault Schrepel joins the podcast to talk blockchain, antitrust and competition law. He is a professor at the Free University in Amsterdam and on the faculty of the Codex Center at Stanford University. At Stanford he is involved in the Computational Antitrust Project which works to foster the automation of antitrust procedures and the improvement…
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Ep 155: As Time By Ping Raises $36.5M, Exclusive Interview with CEO Ryan Alshak
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As Time By Ping, a company devoted to helping lawyers break free from timekeeping, announces its Series B raise of $36.5 million, cofounder and CEO Ryan Alshak joins LawNext for an exclusive interview about the financing, the company, and its mission to help lawyers break free from timekeeping and get back time in their days. As Alshak shares in th…
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Ep 154: Former Tesla Lawyer Laura Frederick on How to Teach Contracting Skills for the Real World
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Is there a better way to train lawyers to draft and negotiate contracts? Laura Frederick thinks so. This former Tesla and BigLaw commercial contracts attorney is the founder of How to Contract, a learning platform that trains lawyers and professionals how to draft and negotiate contracts in the real world. She is also managing attorney of her own f…
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3 things you should know about legal design
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In episode no. 72 I share with you 3 (or maybe 4!) things you should know about legal design. The episode covers: The definition of legal design; How it differs from human-centred design and design thinking; 3 categories of legal design; Real examples of legal design in commercial and not-for-profit contexts; Some key elements of any effective lega…
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Using Legal Tech to Create Sustainable Social Change (Jazz Hampton, CEO Turnsignl)Using Legal Tech to Create Sustainable Social Change (Jazz Hampton, CEO Turnsignl)
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De-escalation. That is what Jazz Hampton and two friends from college set out to achieve when they co-founded Turnsignl. An app used during traffic stops to access legal help in real time to de-escalate what is often a very tense situation. Prior to becoming Turnsignl CEO, Jazz was a public defender and ended up doing commercial litigation at a top…
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Ep 153: From Radical to Trailblazer: How Innovative GC Jeffrey Carr Disrupted the Legal Department, Part 2
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In this second of a two-part interview, we continue our conversation with Jeffrey Carr, a trailblazing general counsel who describes his career as decades spent on the radical fringe of reforming legal services delivery. Many of his ideas for revamping legal departments, once viewed as radical, have now become mainstream. As general counsel at FMC …
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Ep 152: From Radical to Trailblazer: How Innovative GC Jeffrey Carr Disrupted the Legal Department, Part 1
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One of the most innovative general counsel ever, Jeffrey Carr describes his career as decades spent on the radical fringe of reforming legal services delivery. Yet many of his ideas for revamping legal departments, once viewed as radical, have now become mainstream. As general counsel at FMC Technologies in the early 2000s, Carr disrupted how legal…
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Doing legal design differently with Sara Rayment
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In episode no. 71 my guest is Principal Legal Designer, Inkling Legal Design, Sara Rayment. We discuss: Why legal design makes sense to Sara; The types of projects Inkling Legal Design work on and the common thread between them; Common characteristics of Inkling’s clients; The approach to legal design that sets Inkling apart; The diversity of skill…
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Reaching Collaboration Nirvana Between Client, Law Firm & Other Legal Service Providers (Michael Callier & Ed Sohn of Factor)
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Michael Callier, Head of Legal Solutions and Consulting and colleague Edward Sohn, Head of Solutions at legal services company Factor discuss how in-house legal teams, their outside counsel and new law players like alternative legal service providers (ALSPs), can collaborate and maximize productivity by leveraging the strengths of each. Factor is a…
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Ep 151: The State of the E-Discovery Industry, with Doug Austin
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Two years into the pandemic, what has been its impact on e-discovery and what lies ahead for the industry? The 2022 State of the Industry Report takes a deep dive into these questions, surveying lawyers, consultants, software and service providers, and others to paint a picture of where the industry is today and what trends will dominate in the yea…
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‘Law for the Lay, a new game to play’ with Clarissa Campbell
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In episode no. 70 my guest is lawyer, creator and producer of social project ‘Law for the Lay’, Clarissa Campbell. We discuss: The project she began in 2019 to share the law with everyday people; What happened that prompted her to actually start the project; How her personal and professional background influences her approach; Her unique style usin…
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Avoiding Tech First Failures When Improving Legal Workflows & Processes with Casey Flaherty (Lex Fusion)
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Casey Flaherty, Chief Strategy Officer for Lex Fusion, makes his second appearance on Technically Legal. This time around, Casey discusses his thesis that organizations often turn to technology as an avoidance mechanism for addressing issues with process and culture. Casey has deep experience with legal process from all angles, he started his caree…
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Ep 150: Digitally Transforming the Legal Department: A Panel of Experts
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At a time when corporations are demanding greater accountability, transparency and predictability from their legal departments, automation of manual processes is a critical strategic priority, offering the promise of greater efficiency and effectiveness. But what does it really mean for a legal department to digitally transform itself and how shoul…
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Mike Suchsland (The LegalTech Fund) on Investing in Legal Technology in 2022 and Beyond
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In the first episode of 2022, Mike Suchsland of the LegalTech Fund and Bridge Investments talks about investing in legal technology. Mike has been in legal tech before it was even a thing. He started his career with Wolters Kulwer in the 1990s and ultimately ended up climbing high up the corporate ladder at Thomson Reuters. He started as Thomson’s …
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Ep 149: Trellis Founder Nicole Clark Says Court Data is a Litigator’s Secret Weapon
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As a litigator in Los Angeles, Nicole Clark saw that state court data could be a secret weapon for winning, but she also saw how difficult it was for her and other lawyers to access that data. That inspired Clark to found Trellis in 2018, to collect and provide access to that data so that other litigators would not have to operate blind. Recently, …
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Jim Doppke on the Ethics of Legal Tech and the Duty to Supervise Robots (2019)
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Legal ethics attorney Jim Doppke returns for an encore appearance to discuss the impact that legal tech and legal innovation have on the Rules of Professional Conduct and other rules that govern how lawyers practice law. Jim explains how Model Rules of Professional Conduct 1.1 (Lawyer’s Duty of Competence) and 5.3 (Responsibilities Regarding Nonlaw…
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Ep 148: Exterro’s Bobby Balachandran, ‘LegalTech CEO of the Year’
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Bobby Balachandran, founder and CEO of governance, risk and compliance company Exterro, has just been named LegalTech CEO of the Year in the Legaltech Breakthrough Awards. In a year in which so many legal tech companies have seen significant growth, it is a notable honor. But Balachandran is hardly resting on his laurels. He is already eyeing an IP…
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Ep 147: How Courts Met the Pandemic Challenge, with Pew’s Qudsiya Naqui
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When COVID-19 first swept across the United States in March 2020, it forced courts across the country to shut down, bringing trials and other legal proceedings to a screeching halt. A new study by The Pew Charitable Trusts examined how courts responded in the aftermath of that shutdown, and it concluded that they did pretty well overall, rapidly em…
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What Technology Companies Look for in Legal Professionals (Bruce Byrd GC Palo Alto Networks)
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Looking for an in-house counsel job? Wondering what companies look for when hiring legal professionals? Well, this episode is for you. Bruce Byrd, General Counsel for cybersecurity company Palo Alto Networks, talks about what he looks for when he is hiring for his legal team. Like many in-house attorneys, Bruce worked a few years at a law firm and …
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Ep 146: CEO Kiwi Camara on DISCO’s Public Offering and the State of Legal Tech
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In July, the e-discovery company DISCO became one of just a handful of legal technology companies ever to go public, listing on the New York Stock Exchange. That made it the third legal tech company this year to go public, after no U.S. legal tech company had gone public since 2002. On this episode of LawNext, Kiwi Camara, DISCO’s cofounder and CEO…
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A year in review: 3 things I learned about legal innovation with host, Andrea Perry-Petersen
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In episode no. 69, I reflect on the podcast over the past 12 months and since it began. I share: statistics about Reimagining Justice (downloads, topics, guests and listeners); the most downloaded episodes this year and since the podcast began; an excerpt from Episode 66 with founder Courtroom5 Sonja Ebron; characteristics of (award-winning) justic…
