Sharing stories of burnout and journey out to reclaim inner badassery. It's not perfect but it is imperfectly marvelous.
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How's your so-called career? The So Called podcast explores how and why we work. With each episode, we dig into the backstories behind the job titles, interviewing people at all stages of their careers – discussing their relationship with work and what work means to them. So Called seeks to inform, inspire and challenge your relationship with work and help you discover your own motivations for why and how you do what you do. Please subscribe and share the show.
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O.F.F. Over Fifty and Fired UP Now What!


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O.F.F. Over Fifty and Fired UP Now What!
O.F.F. Over Fifty and Fired UP
An on-going weekly series of two people over fifty who just got let go from their jobs. Listen as they share their experiences and learning from their journey as they navigate through this emotional roller coaster.
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After years and years of work, I can finally say that I’ve reached the pinnacle of my recovery from burnout. Would I say that I’m fully recovered from burnout? Not quite… Recovery is a continuous process, not a one-time event. We will never be fully recovered because recovery has no endpoint. This applies in a big way to people who are recovering f…
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8: Nurses Get Burntout Too with Jeanelle Classen, RN
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Many of my interviews speak from the perspective of doctors and the challenges we face in our professions. Another, very different, type of experience that happens right alongside us as doctors, is that of our nurses. I chat with Jeanelle Classen about her journey as a nurse and the emotional roller coaster it took her on. After facing burnout in h…
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7: Write Your Own Story with Rebecca Fleetwood Hession
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Oftentimes, while we’re trudging through our lives with our heads down, crushing our goals at all costs, and maintaining the title of “Top Performer,” it takes a crippling illness or injury to realize that we can’t sustain the patterns we’ve created for ourselves. In this episode, I chat with Rebecca Fleetwood Hession who shares her story about ove…
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When we escape the clutches of burnout and take the time to look back on what actually caused it, we are often shocked to see that we were surviving in burnout mode for several years. In this episode, I talk with Dr. Ronnie Shalev who shares her story about how burnout started to creep in on her just two short years after her residency. And in true…
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5: Mindful Living with Dr. Sogol Pahlavan
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Realizing that you’re smack dab in the throws of burnout doesn’t always happen when things start to look like they’re going awry. For many of us, our lives look absolutely pristine from the outside while we’re floundering on the inside looking for an escape from the life we’re living. Dr. Sogol joins me on this episode and we talk about her experie…
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4: Normalizing Burnout with Dr. Debbie Bradley
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You are not broken and you are not the only one experiencing burnout. I know I say this all the time but joining me is Dr. Debbie Bradley and she 100% agrees. Listen as she shares her burnout story and why she’s so passionate about helping other female physicians who don’t have it all figured out. For Debbie, burnout itself snuck up on her. She was…
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You are not stuck. You have options. No matter what it feels like right now, you are not easily replaceable. Once Dr. Karen Wolowick realized the truth of these words, her entire life changed. Listen as she shares her burnout story and why she’s so happy she conquered her fears so she could do life and gynecology practice her way. When Dr. Wolowick…
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2: Slow Burn to Burnout with Dr. Seema Desai
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Dr. Seema Desai finished dental school in 2008 and has been practicing off and on ever since. The problem was that no matter where she worked, who she worked with, or who her patients were, she never felt fulfilled. Why couldn’t she be happy “having it all”? Instead of digging deeper into the cause of her dissatisfaction, she shifted gears and chec…
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I cannot believe we are in Season 3 of Burntout to Badass. I got to have some amazing conversations with men and women who have made it through their own burnout battles and are now happily living on the other side. If you feel like you’re on the brink of burnout or maybe, just maybe, you’re deep in the pit of it, then this is the podcast for you! …
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I can’t believe season 2 is already over. I got to have some amazing conversations with brilliant women who struggled through the darkness of burnout and are now living amazing lives. It’s not going to stop here though! There will be a Season 3 and I’m so excited about it. We’re going to be testing out a new format and hearing the amazing stories o…
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10: The Invisible Workload of Women with Kelli Thompson
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Women are more often asked to do extra things at work than men. Things that do not translate into promotable actions, and we keep on saying yes to them. Listen as I chat with Kelli Thompson all about the invisible workload of women at work and how it contributes to burnout. Kelli has spent more than 15 years in leadership, coaching, and training an…
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9: Conscious Executive Leadership with Vicki Bradley
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What do you do when the world as you know it explodes out from under you? You pick yourself up, start healing, and move in a different direction. Listen as Vicki Bradley shares her story of going from corporate retail leader to conscious executive leadership coaching while raising two children on her own. Vicki was doing the damn thing. She was a P…
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Have you ever found yourself taking ownership of a situation in a way that keeps you stuck? Char Watson helped two failing dental practices come back from the brink and when the situation became untenable, she couldn’t let go. She’s sharing her story and why her burnout inspired her to create her business and her course! Char always knew she wanted…
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7: Burn It All Down & Rise Again with Payton Fennell DO, MBA
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Through high school, college, medical school, residency, and beyond, we spend our lives being told what to think. But why do we think these things? Dr. Payton Fennell joins me to chat about his burnout and why he had to burn it all down to rise again. Payton is staring straight at the years that are meant to be his prime as a physician, but he does…
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6: Becoming The Happy Lawyer with Catherine Shearer
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Burnout is never innocuous but sometimes it can have much bigger health implications. Catherine Shearer is a personal injury attorney who from the outside had everything together. On the inside, however, it was a different story. Listen in to hear her burnout tale and what it took for her to get out of the deep dark pit. Catherine was killing it in…
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5: Developing Pediatric Cardiac Anesthesiologists After Burnout with Laura Berenstain, M.D.
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What do you do when you’re at the top of your game but feel unappreciated and as if your work isn’t valued? Fall into burnout. But then you pick yourself up, realize that your work is extremely valuable, and effect change in your specialty by becoming a physician coach. At least that’s what Laura Berenstain, M.D. has done as a pediatric cardiac ane…
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4: Sabbatical Healing with Katrina McGhee
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Everyone experiences burnout differently. For Katrina McGhee it was a slow burn that left her totally crispy inside. After going to business school to start what she thought was her dream career, she realized it most certainly wasn’t. She kept pushing through and tried to stay optimistic, but things just kept getting worse and worse. There she was,…
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**TRIGGER WARNING - There is discussion about a period of time that includes sexual assault.** Despite making very good money in an industry that she’d always dreamed of being in, Cherry Tung was not happy. The reason for that could lie in the fact that the illusion of ethics and truth was shattered when someone in the industry drugged and raped he…
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2: Neurodivergence & Burnout with Alex Gilbert
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It’s only been in recent years that the impact of neurodiversity has been recognized as impacting work product and learning. Alex Gilbert was diagnosed with ADHD and Dyslexia at the age of 8 due to the persistence of her mother. Listen as she shares how her neurodiverse brain has contributed to her burnout. In Alex’s words, she’s been working harde…
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1: From Teacher to Neuroscientist with Staci Danford
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Staci Danford is a one of a kind mix of joy and neuroscience. She started her career as a teacher and after 25 years realized she needed a change. Listen as she shares her story and how she pulled herself out of the pit of burnout. As a teacher she was all in. She was dedicated to making sure her students got the absolute best of her and knew that …
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Burntout to Badass Season 2: It's almost here!!!
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We're back! Season 2 is ALMOST HERE! We've got new interviewees and new questions coming your way, but the theme remains the same. Burnout does not define you. It is one point in your life and you can come out on the otherside in your total badassery! If you haven't already, hit that follow or subscribe button so you're notified when the first epis…
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We're at the end of season 4, and it’s time to take a look back. I ask my guests, “What advice would you give to your younger self?” not to ask what they would change, but to understand what they’ve learned along the way. The final episode of season 4 compiles my guests’ answers to that question. I hope you find their advice both inspiring and moti…
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So Called Podcast


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So Called: Steve Adelman, Nightlife Entrepreneur
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How much is enough? You don't need to be King of Everything, says Steve Adelman, Nightlife Entrepreneur. Instead, be King of Enough and spend time developing long-term relationships. Steve has ruled the nightlife realm for 30 years, but he didn’t begin his career as a nightlife entrepreneur. His career transition began as the result of a party at h…
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So Called: Erin Sorensen, Project Manager at Ethos Design/Remodel and Ethos Real Estate
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But what if it doesn't work? Failure is not the end of the world, says Erin Sorensen, Project Manager at Ethos Design + Remodel and Ethos Real Estate. She says when failure happens, take a step back, calm down, and figure it out. Erin is figuring things out daily at Ethos. Success in building and remodeling often requires the ability to combine kno…
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So Called: Sarah Cunningham, Principal and CEO of Ethos Design/Remodel and Ethos Real Estate
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Does what you do have integrity with who you are? For Sarah Cunningham, Principal and CEO of Ethos Design/Remodel and Ethos Real Estate, having that integrity of purpose is important for her to feel good about what she does day to day. More than designing and remodeling, Sarah's work is about building community and connectedness, which happens by d…
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So Called: Katie Bratland, Public Relations and Communications Expert
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When opportunity knocks, will you open the door? Make sure you take a close look at the opportunities you are given, advises Katie Bratland, Public Relations and Communications Expert. You can always say no after you consider an opportunity, but know the details before you make a decision. Katie almost missed out on a career-changing event when she…
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So Called: Eric Mraz, Owner/Operator of Cold Cactus Media Productions
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Can't find the light? There are people who want to help, including Eric Mraz, owner and operator of Cold Cactus Media Productions. Cold Cactus is producing Darkness to Light, a video series that aims to reduce the suicide rate in the Veteran community. Eric's media company is working on the first of a planned 22 episodes, connecting the series to t…
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So Called: Lisa Schelbe, Associate Professor at Florida State University, College of Social Work
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Where do you focus your efforts? Saying no might be the superpower you need to unlock your best work and concentrate on the things most important to you, says Lisa Schelbe, Associate Professor at Florida State University, College of Social Work. For Lisa, child well-being and prevention of child maltreatment are her areas of focus. In service of th…
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So Called: Jeff Vanek, Director of Human Resources at Utah's Hogle Zoo
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What's your cause? If you are working in a mission-driven organization, you need to win people's hearts and minds to advance that cause, says Jeff Vanek, Director of Human Resources at Utah's Hogle Zoo. Servant leadership is well-suited for mission-driven organizations, he says, because it can support and sustain a cause and culture over time. Jeff…
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So Called: Valerie Trapunsky, CEO and Founder of ChatterBoss
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Puzzled about what's next? Don't forget to enjoy where you are today, says Valerie Trapunsky, CEO and Founder of ChatterBoss. While she is often focused on how to build and improve her business, Valerie recommends taking a moment to recognize what's good about right now and to trust yourself to make the right next move. It took Valerie some time to…
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So Called: Clayton Moore, Retired Police Officer and Author
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What do we have in common? More than you might think, says Clayton Moore, retired police officer and author of the book Good Cop, Black Cop: Guilty Until Proven Innocent. Clayton believes that we can co-exist and even work together as long as we have respectful dialog and by respecting each other's experiences, feelings, and points of view. While C…
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So Called: Lance Davisson, Owner and Principal Consultant at the Keystone Concept
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What do you call it when you leave your dream job after just two years? An adventure, according to Lance Davisson, Owner and Principal Consultant at the Keystone Concept. Lance landed what he thought was his dream job right out of college, working for the Washington Department of Natural Resources. Not long after he started, however, life intervene…
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Your most immediate need is to recover enough so that you can make the next best step! Which is why I’m leaving you this season with some tangible takeaways that you can use to create space in your life. If you find yourself in that deep dark hole of burnout, then listen in! First things first, you need to know that the word “No” is a complete sent…
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12: Developmental Psychologist Turned Coach with Dr. Sasha Heinz
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For some women the true struggle with burnout stems from the knowledge that they put themselves in that position. That’s how Dr. Sasha Heinz felt. She had pushed so hard for so long that when she realized she was completely depleted and had no one but herself to blame, it felt like a sticking point for moving forward. Which is when she started to r…
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10: Executive Coach and Harvard Business Review contributor with Monique Valcour Ph.D.
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After a few years as a tenure-track professor in Boston, Monique Valcour accepted a job as a management professor at a business school in France. She and her family set out on an international adventure, selling their home and moving their kids to France for a new life. While the location was ideal, Monique's new organization was a challenging plac…
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After spending years fighting the corporate ladder, stuck in a job that didn’t fit her life or her dreams, Jen Rice had had enough. She blew up in a big way and that’s when she realized something had to change. When an opportunity cropped up to go overseas she took it and now she’s coaching other rebels with a cause. One of Jen’s life dreams was to…
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8: Financial Planner & Olympian with Lauryn Williams
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Have you ever played a sport? Did that sport take over your entire life? For Lauryn Williams, running took her farther than she ever thought possible. Track and Field took her to college and then from there to the Olympics. Listen as she shares her burnout story and why it was so completely tied to her identity. Lauryn knew she wanted to go to coll…
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7: Covid Physician Burnout with Dr. Jozi McGowan
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Burnout can affect us at any stage in our medical journey. For so many it starts in residency, but what if there was a way to be better prepared before you ever get to residency. That’s exactly what Dr. Jozi McGowan helps medical students to do, so it came as a bit of a shock when she realized that she too was experiencing burnout. Dr. Jozi receive…
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6: Overcoming Patriarchal Stress Disorder with Dr. Valerie Rein
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When your body starts mimicking the symptoms of a stroke, you know that there is something seriously wrong. Dr. Valerie Rein was working and moving and constantly on the go when one day her body just stopped. She shares her burnout story and why she feels that for women burnout goes beyond individual experience. It wasn’t until she was laying in th…
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5: Engineering Her Dreams with Kara Festa
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Engineering is a field that is highly male dominated. Construction even more so. Kara Festa built her career as a brilliant engineer and project manager and then decided to move into consulting instead. It didn’t take long for her to realize that her dream life was not what she anticipated. She had an amazing family, a vacation home, a business she…
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4: Business Burnout to Coaching with Mallory Rowan
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Burnout can truly happen at any age. It is not just for those who have spent years slogging. In fact, it can happen sooner than you imagine for high achieving women. Mallory Rowan’s story very much encompasses this particular burnout story. Listen as she shares her background and how she’s moved out of and away from burnout. When she was just 22, M…
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The legal field is not for the faint of heart and so many lawyers and others in the field find themselves burnout very early on. The same can be said of Tracy LaLonde. Thankfully for her as soon as she realized living in that way was not for her, she was able to take a step back and start pursuing joy. Stress really is the silent killer. Not only c…
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2: Personal Finance to Freedom with Shang
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Uncontrolled anger, lashing out at strangers, a never-ending feeling of exhaustion and overwhelm. Sounds like the perfect recipe for burnout, but when Shang was going through it, she had no clue. Listen as she shares her story and how she’s changed her life and mindset to stay out of the pit of burnout today. Shang was working at a startup, working…
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1: Physician Turned Life Coach - Errin's Story
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We all experience burnout differently, something you’ll learn as you listen to these episodes, so it’s important for me to share my experience with you! Listen in as I dig deep into what I was thinking, feeling, and doing when I was in the deep pit of burnout. I first experienced burnout within the first few weeks of my attending job. Here I was wi…
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An interview series showcasing amazing women who have recovered from burnout and are living out their badassery? Yes! Please! This podcast was designed to encourage, inspire, and infuse you with hope! Burnout does not define you. The life that you are craving is absolutely possible. So, subscribe now and share it! I can't wait to share these storie…
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We're at the end of season 3, and it’s time to take a look back. I ask my guests, “What advice would you give to your younger self?” not to ask what they would change, but to understand what they’ve learned along the way. The final episode of season 3 compiles my guests’ answers to that question. I hope you find their advice both inspiring and moti…
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So Called: Linda Olson, Motivational speaker, Author, and Triple Amputee
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What’s next? None of us knows what’s going to happen, and life requires constant learning and adaptation, says Linda Olson, Motivational Speaker, Author, and Triple Amputee. Rather than being bothered by this uncertainty, we can prepare for change and then accept, adapt and innovate when it happens. Linda knows about adapting to change. When she an…
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So Called: Gary Buckmann, Coach, Author, and Inspirational Speaker
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What are you afraid of? Fear is a liar, here only to cause more fear, says Gary Buckmann, Coach Author, and Inspirational Speaker. Awareness of this fact can help you overcome and eliminate fear. Overcoming adversity is something Gary knows about first hand. As a competitive gymnast in college, a catastrophic injury left Gary paralyzed. He fought h…
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So Called: Evanann Whitaker, Marketing Manager at Red Aspen
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What are you waiting for? Push aside self-doubt, go forward, and believe in what you are delivering, advises Evanann Whitaker, Marketing Manager at Red Aspen. As the company has grown, Evanann has grown in her role, where she now feels empowered and confident in owning the solutions she brings to the table. Evanann enjoys the excitement of working …
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So Called: Caitlin Copple Masingill, Founder and President at Full Swing Public Relations
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What’s the common thread? Caitlin Copple Masingill, Founder and President at Full Swing Public Relations, is driven by a passion for justice and to make the world a better place, which led to her work in journalism, elected office, and as an entrepreneur. The common thread throughout Caitlin’s career is her personal mission to elevate women’s leade…
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