Macroeconomics has never been so ... delish! Macro and Cheese explores the progressive movement through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory, with hot and irreverent political takes, spotlights in activism, and the razor sharp musings of Real Progressives Founder and host Steve Grumbine. The cheese will flow as experts come in for a full, four course deep dive into the hot queso. Comfort Food for Thought!
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Charles Derber, author of "Dying for Capitalism", talks with Steve about the intersectionality between capitalism, environmental destruction, and militarism. He argues that the capitalist system, particularly in its neoliberal form, is inherently connected to the threats of environmental catastrophe and war. He emphasizes the historical context of …
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Radical Political Economists on Palestine with David Fields
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David Fields talks to Steve about “Economists for Palestine,” the statement released by the Union for Radical Political Economics (URPE). They emphasize economists’ responsibility to take a stand against the genocide being perpetrated against the Palestinians. They look at the connection between Zionism and the global capitalist system, debunking m…
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Dismantling Green Colonialism Part 2 with Hamza Hamouchene
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**Welcome to Episode #250! This represents 250 straight weeks of work on this podcast. We couldn’t have managed without our diligent team: Steve Grumbine, host and head honcho, Andy Kennedy, audio engineer, editor and producer, Virginia Cotts, Julie Alberding, Jonathan Kadmon, Commie John Siener, and Tim O’Neill, who create show notes, art, transcr…
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Dismantling Green Colonialism Part 1 with Hamza Hamouchene
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When we talk about the climate crisis, common wisdom says we’re all in it together. That implies that everyone is responsible, and everyone needs to do something about it. Our guest, Dr. Hamza Hamouchene, attacks this notion unequivocally: “The historical responsibility, of course, in the climate crisis lies within the industrialized capitalist Wes…
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RP Live Presents: Inside a Failed State Q & A with Michael Hudson
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This week’s episode is another webinar from our RP Live series: Inside a Failed State, with Michael Hudson. Michael prefers a Q&A format. Attendee questions revolved around US political economy, domestic and global. He discusses topics such as healthcare, de-dollarization, and the impact of economic policies on the working class. He emphasizes the …
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Degrowth and MMT with Christopher Olk and Colleen Schneider
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**Tuesday, October 24th, join us for an informal Zoom meeting where we will be listening and discussing this episode. 8 pm ET/5 pm PT. Find the registration link at https://realprogressives.org/event/macro-n-chill-247/ As a society we are conditioned to believe we can f*ck with nature, with the living world, but the economy is immutable. We dare no…
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Fiat Socialism... The Convergence with Carlos García Hernández
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**Don’t forget to register for Macro ‘n Chill. Come listen to the episode together and discuss it on Tuesday evening at 8 pm ET/5 pm PT. This week’s registration link is at https://realprogressives.org/event/macro-n-chill-246/ Carlos García Hernández is the author of Fiat Socialism: Achieving the Goals of Socialism through Modern Monetary Theory. H…
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Decolonizing Our Minds with Fadhel Kaboub
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**Tuesday evenings, Real Progressives and friends gather on Zoom for a listening party and discussion of Macro N Cheese. To register, go to the events calendar on our website and look for the upcoming Tuesday: https://realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/ This week’s episode welcomes back Fadhel Kaboub, a valued friend of this podcast. He and St…
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The Trouble with Lula with Daniel Conceição
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A head of state whose economic policies promote austerity and fiscal responsibility is: Conservative Progressive N/A (not applicable) Daniel Conceição is with us for his third visit to Macro N Cheese. He and Steve discuss the failures of both right and left governments. Some broad strokes of Brazil’s historical patterns are not so different from th…
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RP Live presents: Africa’s Quest for Economic Liberation with Ndongo Samba Sylla
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“The impossibility of economic catch-up does not imply that the citizens of the global South are condemned to suffer from poverty and inequality. It only implies that capitalism has nothing to offer as a prospect of a decent life for the vast majority of humanity...” In this webinar from our popular RP Live series, Ndongo Samba Sylla tells us of th…
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Monetary Operations: Coordinated vs. Consolidated with Eric Tymoigne
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**If you’d like to discuss this episode with friends and comrades, join our Macro ‘n Chill listening party on Tuesday evening at 8 ET/5 PT. For the Zoom registration link, go to realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/ Understanding how monetary sovereign governments create and spend money means looking at the Treasury department and the central ba…
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**On Tuesday evenings, Real Progressives hosts Macro ‘n Chill, an informal listening party for members of the community to discuss an episode of this podcast. For the Zoom registration link go to realprogressives.org/rp-events-calendar/ When someone associates Modern Monetary Theory with left or right wing politics, they’re signaling they know noth…
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Can Unions Reclaim the Strike? with Joe Burns
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“I think within every labor struggle is a kernel of a broader transformation of society. So, it's interesting because Harry Bridges, who was the longtime leader of the longshore workers on the West Coast from the 1930s to the 1960s, when he talked about strike, he said every strike is a mini-revolution.” On the eve of the strike authorization vote …
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Activists and organizers know that effective communication depends on connecting with people’s real needs. But we’re often baffled when people don’t act in their own interests or don’t identify others’ interests as intersecting with their own. To grapple with some of these questions, Steve turns to Stephanie Preston, Professor of Psychology at the …
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RP Book Club Presents Pavlina Tcherneva's The Case For a Job Guarantee
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RP Book Club spent four weeks on The Case for a Job Guarantee, by Pavlina R. Tcherneva. Each week featured a different guest expert who led the discussion and answered questions. Listeners to this podcast will recognize their names, including Pavlina herself, Fadhel Kaboub, Ben Wilson, and Rohan Grey. We were also honored to have Bill Black and Jun…
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“...Because we recognize that taxes are not a funding operation, there's this myth that people who support MMT don't want to use fiscal policy to promote equity. Of course, taxes are redistribution … Things have gotten way out of hand, so taxation is also intended to promote equity, to affect distribution and allocation. Resource allocation.” Mat F…
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The Double Objective of Democratic Ecosocialism with Jason Hickel
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The title of this week’s episode is taken from an article to be published in September’s Monthly Review. The author, Jason Hickel, talks to Steve about the topic in his third visit to the podcast. Before we look at the double objective of ecosocialism we must analyze the double crisis we’re facing – ecological and social. Both are caused by the sam…
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Imperialism and the Global South’s Debt with Ndongo Samba Sylla
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It will come as no surprise to our listeners that countries of the Global South are mired in a foreign debt crisis and that default is directly tied to the lack of monetary sovereignty. Our friend Ndongo Samba Sylla, a Senegalese development economist, talks to Steve about the situation, how it came to be, and how it can be overcome. Countries of t…
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RP Book Club presents: Randy Wray's Making Money Work for Us
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**Don’t forget to check out our transcripts! There’s one for every episode of this podcast, as well as a section of “extras” with links to relevant resources. Go to realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast/ This week we’re bringing you all three sessions of the Real Progressives Book Club on L. Randall Wray’s Making Money Work for Us. RP Book Cl…
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Managed Democracy and Inverted Totalitarianism in the USA with 1Dime
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“People talk about campaign finance being the problem as to why ‘progressive’ politicians can't get elected. But that's more of an effect of this rather than the cause, because let's say, Citizens United, the court ruling which now allows corporations to pretty much give unlimited donations to candidates. That's just the most recent evolution of a …
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Is the US a Failed State? with Michael Hudson
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Is the US a failed state? Well, with a paralyzed economy, debt deflation, and a ruling elite waging class warfare on labor, what else should we call it? Economist Michael Hudson often writes and talks about the US role as a global force bending the rest of the world to its will. Or trying to. This week he and Steve bring the focus home, looking at …
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RP Live with David Correia and Tyler Wall
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In this episode, David Correia and Tyler Wall, co-authors of Police: A Field Guide, lead a webinar about policing in the US. The common narrative about the police is intentionally misleading. Without a class analysis and an understanding of history, it will remain a problem with no solution. Policing isn’t a side-show to capitalist political econom…
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If you’ve recently chatted with a well-informed liberal – the kind who reads the NY Times or watches PBS NewsHour – you’ve heard encouraging things about the economy. You’ve heard that Biden’s doing a good job. Unemployment has gone down, wages have gone up. Why can’t you be happy about it all? To celebrate all this good news, we brought back our f…
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It’s always interesting to get the insights of someone whose job places them near the beating heart of the imperial behemoth. Especially when they’ve begun to pull back the curtain and take a hard look at reality. Paul Gambles lives in Thailand where he specializes in emerging markets with MBMG Group. Paul and Steve talk about the clarity that MMT …
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When economist Pavlina Tcherneva was last on this podcast, we were a few months into the pandemic. She and Steve talked about nationalizing payroll and the heightened need for a federal job guarantee during a time of crisis. In this episode, the neoliberal approach to unemployment comes under scrutiny. Pavlina explains the inadequacy of official un…
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