Best Abovethelaw Podcasts (2023)

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How Legal Ops Can Get You To Your Work Joy with Sumi Trombley - Episode 150 22:28

1M ago22:28

22:28

Kathryn interviews Sumi Trombley, a senior advisor at UpLevel Ops, who delves into the world of legal operations. They discuss Sumi's career transition, the influence of the pandemic on workflow, the role that legal ops can play in promoting diversity, and how it bridges the gap between legal and business concerns. She emphasizes the need for authe…

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In The Trenches With A Family Law Attorney with Margaret Klaw - Episode 149 28:56

2M ago28:56

28:56

Kathryn interviews Margaret Klaw who is a writer, a lawyer, and a founding partner of BKW Family Law, an all-women law firm in Philadelphia. Named a Preeminent Woman Lawyer by Martindale-Hubbell, she has been recognized by Best Lawyers in America and designated a Pennsylvania “Super Lawyer” in the area of family law. Starting with day-in-the-life v…

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How Diversity On The Supreme Court Got So Partisan with Nancy Scherer - Episode 148 26:31

3M ago26:31

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Kathryn interviews Nancy Scherer who highlights the importance of diversity in courts, covering aspects like race, gender, and minority representation. The discussion also reveals the challenges faced in increasing diversity due to opposition regarding judges' qualifications and education. However, research shows no significant difference in the qu…

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Working To Close The Gavel Gap with Sadiqa Reynolds - Episode 147 24:32

3M ago24:32

24:32

Kathryn interviews Sadiqa Reynolds, CEO of Perception Institute, who speaks about her career journey and the significance of diversity in the legal profession. Her current work involves addressing implicit bias and promoting genuine conversations about racial and gender disparities. Reynolds emphasizes the importance of having diverse representatio…

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Instilling DEI into a Law Firm's Identity with Marlon Lutfiyya - Episode 146 21:53

4M ago21:53

21:53

Kathryn and Marlon Lutfiyya, Director of Talent and Diversity at Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg, discuss the advancements in legal research and the importance of DEI integration in law firms. Marlon highlights the benefits of joining a mid-sized firm like his, providing associates opportunities to work closely with senior partners and advance at their ow…

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Starting Your Own Law Firm To Make The World A Better Place with Margot Hoppin and Alanna Kaufman - Episode 145 27:10

4M ago27:10

27:10

In this episode, Kathryn, Alanna Kaufman, and Margot Hoppin discuss the Lexis Plus platform and share their experiences in the legal industry. They emphasize the importance of doing meaningful work, creating inclusive law firm environments, and networking. Alanna and Margot highlight the values of their public interest private law firms and their f…

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Getting Yourself In The Right Mindset For Negotiation with Emily Poler - Episode 144 21:29

5M ago21:29

21:29

In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Emily Poler about her experience founding Poler Legal and navigating the legal profession. They discuss negotiation strategies and managing gender dynamics. Emily shares the challenges and rewards of creating her own law firm such as gaining autonomy, selecting compatible clients, and handling the impact of the …

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‘Stalkerish’ Behavior is not the Way to Sell your Legal Tech Product: Real Talk From a CLO with Jenny Hamilton - Episode 143 22:50

5M ago22:50

22:50

In this episode, Kathryn interviews Jenny Hamilton, Chief Legal Officer at Exterro. They discuss the launch of the Lexis Plus Platform and its AI-powered Judicial Brief Analysis tool, Hamilton's journey into the legal profession, her experiences with e-discovery, and her perspective on being a woman in a male-dominated industry. Hamilton shares her…

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Biglaw Partner Ends The Gatekeeping And Shares What You Need To Know To Be Successful In An Appellate Practice with Michelle Kallen - Episode 142 27:09

6M ago27:09

27:09

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Michelle Kallen, a Partner at Jenner & Block, to her journey to becoming an appellate lawyer. She explains that the more she learned about law, the more she was drawn to the field. She then goes on to talk about the appeal process and how it can be a difficult one to enter. Finally, Michelle shares her advice on ho…

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What You Need To Know About The Biglaw Job Market with Jennifer Henderson - Episode 141 20:34

7M ago20:34

20:34

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jennifer Henderson, a Partner with the legal recruiting firm, Major, Lindsey & Africa (MLA), to discuss why she decided to go to law school and how she ended up becoming a legal recruiter. She also talks about the current lateral market and provides advice for those looking to make a move. Additionally, she shares …

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No One Else But You Is Going To Advocate For Your Career with Laura Bianchi - Episode 140 25:37

7M ago25:37

25:37

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Laura Bianchi, Co-Founder of Bianchi & Brandt and a leading entrepreneur, attorney, and strategic advisor for the cannabis industry. Laura emphasizes the importance of finding areas of law that you enjoy, as it is a huge part of your life and will determine how much you get out of your career. As a lawyer who speci…

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How Personal Experience Impacts This Immigration Lawyer's Work with Karine Sokpoh - Episode 139 21:03

8M ago21:03

21:03

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Karine Sokpoh, CEO of the Midlands African Chamber, to talk about the highs and the lows of focusing on immigration law. Karine reveals that she did not consider other career paths because she wanted to help people and had a goal to work for an international organization in war zones and help with peacekeeping and …

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Plaintiffs' Attorney Shares What It's Like To Hold Companies Responsible For The Opioid Epidemic with Jayne Conroy - Episode 138 24:37

8M ago24:37

24:37

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jayne Conroy, a plaintiff’s attorney at Simmons Hanly Conroy LLC, to talk about the risks and rewards of being a plaintiff’s attorney, and how MDLs work, and offers advice to younger lawyers interested in similar cases. She stresses the importance of being curious and open to learning new things, recognizing the wo…

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Career Appellate Prosecutor Dishes On What It's Really Like To Argue Before The Supreme Court with Lisa Sarnoff Gochman - Episode 137 25:19

9M ago25:19

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In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Lisa Sarnoff Gochman, an appellate lawyer and author of the book At the Altar of the Appellate Gods: Arguing before the US Supreme Court, to talk about how her career shifted from being in law school to being an appellate lawyer who has spent the last 40 years writing. Lisa also discusses how an appellate attorney …

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Biglaw Partner Shares Behind The Scenes Look At The Affirmative Action Case Before The Supreme Court with Ishan Bhabha - Episode 136 28:13

9M ago28:13

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In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Ishan Bhabha, co-chair of Jenner and Block's Education Practice and a member of its Appellate and Supreme Court Practice, to talk about the well-publicized affirmative action cases at the oral arguments at the Supreme Court. He discusses his experiences representing the Ivy League and other schools, as well as the …

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Legal Industry Harassment Is Not Rare, But Rarely Shared with Aliza Shatzman - Episode 135 25:12

10M ago25:12

25:12

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Aliza Shatzman, an attorney, advocate, and former DC Superior Court law clerk, to talk about her experience as a clerk in the DC Superior Court where she faced gender discrimination, harassment, and ultimately retaliation by the now former judge for whom she clerked. She also discusses how she reached out to her la…

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The Rewarding Truth Behind A Legal Aid Career with Laurette Mulry - Episode 134 22:11

10M ago22:11

22:11

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Laurette Mulry, an Attorney-in-Charge at the Suffolk County Legal Aid Society, to talk about working with different clients as legal aid attorneys. Laurette breaks down the principles that guided her when working with clients, as well as her advice to those who are in a legal job that requires a lot of attention an…

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A Lifetime Of Fighting Against Injustice with Richard Zitrin - Episode 133 21:33

11M ago21:33

21:33

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Richard Zitrin, a trial lawyer and lecturer at the University of California, Hastings College of Law, to talk about how he became a criminal justice advocate and shares some advice for aspiring lawyers. He explains his involvement in the San Quentin Six Case, which became the impetus for his career in criminal just…

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Biglaw Partner Leads Effort To Help Afghan Refugees with Grant Sovern - Episode 132 25:24

11M ago25:24

25:24

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Grant Sovern, a Partner of Quarles & Brady LLP, to talk about his area of concentration: Employment immigration. Grant recalls how he shifted to immigration law and describes the challenges of working as an immigration lawyer. Additionally, Grant shares his work with Afghan refugees and where the immigration law st…

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Biglaw Firm Gives Back To The Boys & Girls Club with Linda Benfield - Episode 131 21:07

11M ago21:07

21:07

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Linda Benfield, an environmental lawyer, and Partner from Foley & Lardner LLP, to talk about how she became wanting to be a problem solver in law school to be on top of the profession. Linda also recalls the different programs created in partnership between Foley and the Boys & Girls Clubs of America, as well as ho…

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The Heart And Soul Of Vermont Law School with Shirley Jefferson - Episode 130 28:49

12M ago28:49

28:49

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shirley Jefferson, the newly appointed Vice President for Community Engagement and Government Affairs at Vermont Law and Graduate School (VLGS), and together, they talk about how the law is an effective tool to affect change in the world. Shirley, being the first person of color to be appointed as the VLGS’s VP, al…

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Building A Practice Around Trauma-Informed Lawyering with Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy - Episode 129 22:51

12M ago22:51

22:51

Who Are The Guests? Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy are the founders of Alcalaw, a women-founded legal consultancy comprised of former federal and state prosecutors who believe that the most effective advocates are those whose legal acumen and depth of experience are matched by their emotional intelligence. Alcalaw provides legal guidance to individua…

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Use Your Superpower In Your Legal Career with Shana Simmons - Episode 128 27:16

12M ago27:16

27:16

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shana Simmons, a General Counsel at Everlaw, to talk about how her career in the world of law started. Shana leads the legal department and is responsible for all legal, regulatory, privacy, risk and compliance, and governance issues around the company. She describes the transition from working as the Head of Googl…

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Balancing A Lawyer And A Novelist with Jessica Martin - Episode 127 23:11

1y ago23:11

23:11

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jessica Martin, a lawyer, and a published novelist, to talk about balancing life as a lawyer, a writer, and having a family. Jessica recalls how she got into the world of law, and how she slowly transitioned from big law to working as an in-house lawyer. She also describes the process she underwent to be a publishe…

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Biglaw Associate Starts Scholarship To Pay It Forward with Imani Maatuka- Episode 126 24:18

1y ago24:18

24:18

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Imani Maatuka, a Commercial Litigation Associate at Sidley Austin LLP, to talk about Bridging the Gap Scholarship. Imani recalls how what made her decide to follow in the footsteps of her other family members and what the big difference is between what she expected and the reality now that she’s working as a litiga…

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Why Women Are Leaving The Law - And What To Do About It with Laura Leopard - Episode 125 26:04

1y ago26:04

26:04

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes back Laura Leopard of Leopard Solutions to talk about their white paper, Women Leaving Law. Laura narrates their experiences writing and running the survey: How depressing it is knowing the reasons why women are leaving the law space and how unfair some firms are to them. She shares how culture affects the work env…

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The Work To End Sexual Harassment Is Always Going On with Alexandra Brodsky - Episode 124 24:36

1y ago24:36

24:36

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Alexandra Brodsky, a staff attorney at Public Justice and author of Sexual Justice Supporting Victims, Ensuring Due Process, and Resisting the Conservative Backlash, to talk about the differences between a dog whistle and real concerns with the due process and what the Title IX is. She shares her thoughts on what’s…

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This Lawyer Found The Silver Lining Of The Pandemic In A Kitchen with Danielle Caminiti - Episode 123 21:52

1y ago21:52

21:52

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Danielle Caminiti, a Per Diem Attorney and local counsel for New York Law Firms. With 7 years in a malpractice defense firm, 5 years as a prosecutor, and 2 years in commercial litigation experiences under her belt, Danielle narrates how she went from law school to where she is right now. She shares how she balances…

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Mediator Shares Why She Loves What She Does with Joann Selleck - Episode 122 24:55

1y ago24:55

24:55

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Joann Selleck, a mediator from Selleck Mediation, to talk about the ins and outs of being a mediation professional. Joann narrates how she came into the practice area. She cites the qualities a person should have to be a facilitator, as well as why people are handling litigations differently. Joann also describes w…

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The Shoes Behind A Noteworthy Legal Career with Kellie Johnson - Episode 121 28:13

1y ago28:13

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In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Kellie Johnson, the Enforcement Chief Public Ethics and former Deputy District Attorney of Oregon. Kellie shares the very unique reason why she decided to go to law school to how other people around her helped and guided her, despite the hardship of women and people of color studying the law. She also talks about h…

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Working To Make Sure We Don't Live In A Theocracy with Elizabeth Platt - Episode 120 20:59

1y ago20:59

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In this episode, Kathryn is joined by Elizabeth Platt, the Director of the Law, Rights, and Religion Project at Columbia Law School. Together, they talk about what the career path is once you make the decision to go to law school. They also discuss what the connection is between law rights and the practices of other religions. Elizabeth shares her …

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How To Change The Law On Periods According To Two Law Professors with Bridget Crawford and Emily Waldman - Episode 119 23:55

1y ago23:55

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Bridget Crawford and Emily Waldman, the authors of the book Menstruation Matters: Challenging the Law's Silence on Periods. Bridget and Emily narrate how they came into the path of academia, as well as the pros and cons for other people who are considering the same path. They share where the idea for the book ca…

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Fascinating Legal Career Spanning Public Interest, Government and Private Practice with Linda Priebe - Episode 118 25:08

1y ago25:08

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In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Linda Priebe, an EU US data privacy/protection compliance and government relations attorney and a partner in Culhane Meadows PLLC, a nationwide woman-owned and woman-managed technology and business law firm. Linda shares how her career evolved: From working in a small boutique firm to working in the federal governm…

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The Tough Truth About Growing Your Own Firm with Carmen Rosas - Episode 117 24:57

1y ago24:57

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Carmen Rosas of the Your Legacy Protection Firm, regarding the tough truth of growing your own firm. Carmen narrates how she came into the practice area of being an estate attorney and what the pros and cons are for people who are considering being in the practice area. She also shares how the experience was own…

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How Sidley Creates A Positive Culture At The Firm with Yvette Ostolaza and Mike Schmidtberger - Episode 116 22:44

1y ago22:44

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Yvette Ostolaza and Mike Schmidtberger of Sidley Austin LLP, about the rationale behind dedicating different resources to the members of the firm without fearing them leaving. They also share what the twists and turns of their careers were to where they are now. Yvette also talks about her goals and priorities a…

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The Best Lessons On Being A Judge Come From Being A Parent with Katharine von Ter Stegge - Episode 115 25:29

1+ y ago25:29

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Katharine von Ter Stegge, a circuit court judge for the Multnomah County in the Oregon Judicial Department, about the best lessons on being a judge. Katharine talks about how the law has always interested her and how her career changed her view on what law really is. She also shares the skills she's learned thro…

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Biglaw Partner On The Red Flags Of Toxic Workplaces with Anne Cortina Perry - Episode 114 26:18

1+ y ago26:18

26:18

In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Anne Cortina Perry of Jenner & Block, and how she balances her work at the firm, her personal life, developing her practice area, and even writing her book of business. Anne shares her transition from going to law school to her path to partnership, and her own advice to people who want to take the same path. She…

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Law Professor On The Future Of The First Amendment with Samantha Barbas - Episode 113 22:14

1+ y ago22:14

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Samantha Barbas, a University at Buffalo School of Law professor and Director of the Baldy Center for Law and Social Policy, about the future of the first amendment. Samantha talks about who Morris Ernst is and how he got recognition in the field. She also discusses how she was able to go through all the materia…

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Work/Life Balance May Not Be Where It's At with Donna Edbril - Episode 112 22:28

1+ y ago22:28

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Donna Edbril, a Certified Leadership Coach, about how she helps female lawyers find the balance between their personal lives and working in a law firm. Donna also shares her transition from starting out in law school, working in different companies to being a career coach. She also runs down the different advice…

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Law Professors Reveal A History Of The Supreme Court You Never Knew with Hannah Brenner Johnson and Renee Knake Jefferson - Episode 111 27:25

1+ y ago27:25

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Hannah Brenner Johnson and Renee Knake Jefferson about their book focusing on the research on the women who appeared on the presidential shortlist back in history. Hannah and Renee not only share the stories of the women who represent the gender on the court, but also how the nomination impacted the lives and ca…

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This Biglaw Partner Has Never Seen A Lateral Market Like This One with Jodi Schwimmer - Episode 110 25:31

1+ y ago25:31

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Schwimmer, partner at Reed Smith and global co-lead of the Financial Industry Group, about how she balances firm leadership responsibilities with her practice. Jodi shares how the Financial Industry Group has changed because of the pandemic, and some firm priorities for this year. She also discusses some of…

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Biglaw Partner Gets Honest About How Hard Work/Life Balance Really Is with Tamra Moore - Episode 109 26:32

1+ y ago26:32

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Tamra Moore, partner at King & Spalding, about the twists and turns of her career that led her to her role at K&S. Tamra shares what latering during a pandemic was like, and how she decided on a firm that worked for her. She also discusses the differences between Biglaw, in-house, and government service. Tamra a…

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Inside Look At Biglaw Diversity Efforts with Renauld Clarke - Episode 108 29:42

1+ y ago29:42

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Renauld Clarke, Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion at Brown Rudnick, about the biggest diversity challenges in Biglaw. Renauld discusses the most relevant benchmarks for diversity in the legal profession, and why he launched the Racial Justice initiative. He also shares how he is approaching recruitment a…

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Partner Dishes On Finding Your Ideal Practice with Jodi Warren - Episode 107 21:52

1+ y ago21:52

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Warren, a partner at Capell Barnett Matalon & Schoenfeld, about a day in the life of a Real Estate, Corporate and Commercial Transactions, and Religious and Charitable Organizations attorney. Jodi shares her biggest career successes and failures, and what she learned from them. She talks about what virtual …

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What You Need To Know: How The Courts Define Emojis with Leslie Garfield Tenzer - Episode 106 27:04

1+ y ago27:04

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Leslie Garfield Tenzer, a professor at Pace University School of Law. Professor Tenzer discusses how she decided to get into legal academia and the twists and turns of her career that have led her to this point. She tells Kathryn why she decided to write the Legal Emoji Dictionary, and speaks about how emojis ha…

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Lawyers Are The Heroes And The Villains In Alex Jones Defamation Case with Elizabeth Williamson - Episode 105 25:01

1+ y ago25:01

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In this episode of The Jabot Kathryn chats with Elizabeth Williamson, author of Sandy Hook: An American Tragedy and the Battle for Truth. They chat about the ins and outs of the defamation cases filed by families of the victims of the tragic Sandy Hook mass shooting against the infamous Infowars host Alex Jones. What was billed as an epic First Ame…

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What Lawyers Really Need To Know To Grow Their Practice with Stephanie Wachman - Episode 104 1:01

1+ y ago1:01

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Stephanie Wachman, CEO and founder of Symetree, about the evolution of her career and the founding of Symetree. They discuss pressing issues in the industry, such as balancing a law career and "real life," dealing with the stress of career challenges, and strategies for business development. Stephanie also speak…

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Former Law Clerk Speaks Out About Her Experience With Harassment with Aliza Shatzman - Episode 103 22:50

1+ y ago22:50

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with family law attorney Aliza Shatzman, who recently submitted a Statement for the Record for the House Judiciary Committee hearing about harassment in the judiciary. Aliza discusses her Statement, what happened with the judge, why the system that currently exists is insufficient, and what should be done to change i…

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From Jim Crow to Today, Voter Suppression Hasn't Changed That Much with Gilda Daniels - Episode 102 28:37

1+ y ago28:37

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with author and professor Gilda Daniels, about the process of writing her book, Uncounted. Gilda speaks about the current voter suppression efforts and the throughline from Jim Crow era efforts to what we are seeing today. Gilda discusses whether there is any hope that the Supreme Court will protect voting rights, an…

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Law Professor On The Dichotomy Between The First Amendment And The Reality Of How Muslims Are Treated with Sahar Aziz - Episode 101 32:48

1+ y ago32:48

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In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Sahar Aziz, author, and Professor of Law at Rutgers Law School. Sahar shares how she first became interested in her book, The Racial Muslim. She details some historical examples of how the book's hypothesis is supported and discusses how far back the ideas go. Sahar also talks about the dichotomy between belief …

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